Yoshi-P Statement on Player Feedback

[Avatre]

While I sympathize with Yoshi concerns and believe that people should not be insulting, I also see this too being taken out of context by a loud part of the community that can't handle a criticism unless you bring a paper convincing THEM that your concern and feedback is "valid". If anything though, I'm curious to see what the hell is happening on the JP side to see this type of commentary.

The problem is, a lot of the problems people are brining up, they don't say why it's a problem. Just that they are unhappy. If they actually went into detail about why it's a problem, then it gives the devs at least a starting point(when it's brought to their attention if the thread gets enough responses and isn't one of 500) to look at it and see the players concerns to be able to hold a team meeting to discuss it, and possible make changes towards what the players feel is a good direction. And I say feel, because it isn't always the best direction due to how it need to interact with hundreds, if not thousands, of other components.

[Melorie]

The problem is, a lot of the problems people are brining up, they don't say why it's a problem. Just that they are unhappy. If they actually went into detail about why it's a problem

Are you certain of that? Because I follow a lot of threads here, and in almost each one of them someone is actually explaining why they feel a certain thing isn't good. But sometimes even that isn't good enough for the part of the community that wants to dictate the discussion. Of course, some people are vague and whatever, but there's always these people. Besides, even Yoshi-P statement is about being rude or insulting, not vague. I'm not sure why you're here telling people how they should be doing their feedback.

This thread already highlights a glaring issue that people are negligent enough of their own behaviour and actions that they cannot make the distinction between them presenting their criticism as just that - A criticism, and something reasonably inferred as thinly veiled insults which serve no purpose.

I mean, yes, this happens, but the same could be said about the other side. Some people simply can't agree with any sort of negative thing regarding this game, and they will discuss a critic ad infinitum just to show that it's not "valid criticism", will act like you're some sort of insensible husk for criticizing something, will debate if it's something people can complain about or not, will try to find stuff into your tone they dislike instead of focusing on the content of your post, etc.

[Avatre]

Are you certain of that? Because I follow a lot of threads here, and in almost each one of them someone is actually explaining why they feel a certain thing isn't good. But sometimes even that isn't good enough for the part of the community that wants to dictate the discussion. Of course, some people are vague and whatever, but there's always these people. Besides, even Yoshi-P statement is about being rude or insulting, not vague. I'm not sure why you're here telling people how they should be doing their feedback.

I'm not telling people how they should, other than keeping it civil and not resorting to insulting. Almost all of the threads I've seen have had VERY thinly veiled insults in them. Not always by the OP, or even people who oppose them, but there are almost always the thinly veiled insults present somewhere in there.

As I said, back on page 1, negative feedback is probably the most important feedback a game can receive. BUT! Keep it civil.

[Kaurhz]

Are you certain of that? Because I follow a lot of threads here, and in almost each one of them someone is actually explaining why they feel a certain thing isn't good. But sometimes even that isn't good enough for the part of the community that wants to dictate the discussion. Of course, some people are vague and whatever, but there's always these people. Besides, even Yoshi-P statement is about being rude or insulting, not vague. I'm not sure why you're here telling people how they should be doing their feedback.



I mean, yes, this happens, but the same could be said about the other side. Some people simply can't agree with any sort of negative thing regarding this game, and they will discuss a critic ad infinitum just to show that it's not "valid criticism", will act like you're some sort of insensible husk for criticizing something, will debate if it's something people can complain about or not, will try to find stuff into your tone they dislike instead of focusing on the content of your post, etc.

Any opinion when posted on a forum has just as much place being critiqued as to what the original posters have critiquing the work of the developers. A vastly lost notion in this age as demonstrable of the vast myriad of people that deflect the critique of their outlook, opinion or 'fact' with nonsensical terms like 'white knight' or 'upset. Much like some people are incapable of handling criticisms of the game, there's an equal abundance of folk that cannot handle their own opinions being critiqued. - There's monumental levels of irony in this revelation. This is a forum, it serves for debating, and this debate is not limited to agreements, but rather also those with contrasting views.

In many cases when people post remarks with a disgusting tone it can undermine their own argument or opinion.