The Flow of Battle 1.21

[Jinko]

I think this game has a good battle flow, the only problems with it is that XP is too fast and PL parties ruin any feeling of accomplishment.

I will get boo'd and hisses at for saying this but I am hoping that when they add the content finder that dungeons will provide a good source/alternative for XP parties.

As for targeting there is an interesting thread in the interface forum, suggesting the addition of numbered mobs and being able to target them by <m1> <m2> etc,

Something like Fat Dodo m1, Fat Dodo m2.

[Xoo]

I don't think camp and pull will ever be the modus operandi for XP parties in this game just because fights end so quickly

With the longer fights of FFXI, you could pull the next MOB right before the current one dies.
But in FFXIV, the party roams because MOBs die so fast, that a designated puller would only have enough time to pull MOBs and never actually participate in battle



I like this idea a lot... Don't know if SE will ever get with it enough to do this though.... Each spawn in a particular area gets the next letter of the Alphabet... like FFXII

Rydin, honestly, when were you last in a party that didn't consist of five Thaumaturges and were facing 4-5 50+ mobs at a time? In my adventures with various jobs through U'ghamaro Mines lately, I have found that when it primarily consists of melee rather than THM, the fights are a lot more tedious.

[Stanislaw]

Since we are all now familiar with Combos, and are aware that mobs 10 levels above our own provide optimal EXP, I believe this calls for a more controlled and therefore efficent battle flow.

I've said this before in the previous thread, but I don't believe fighting mobs 10 levels above you provides you optimal exp. It provides the BEST exp per kill, yes, but it's not optimal. There is a reason why the 'Bird' camp in FFXI was the best meriting camp for the longest time despite the fact that each kill provided far less than the maximum possible exp one could gain.

2. Implementation of the /assist command.

Didn't we have this?

[Jinko]

Agree with the above, fast XP is better than large number.

Need an addon to tell me how much XP an hour i am getting, for some reason BG parser don't work for me.

[Xoo]

I've said this before in the previous thread, but I don't believe fighting mobs 10 levels above you provides you optimal exp. It provides the BEST exp per kill, yes, but it's not optimal. There is a reason why the 'Bird' camp in FFXIV was the best meriting camp for the longest time despite the fact that each kill provided far less than the maximum possible exp one could gain.

Didn't we have this?

Of course, who has really tried before when we had AoE to destroy the whole of a group of mobs ~5 levels above? As far as I know, we do not have the /assist command. I could be wrong.

[Akumu]

I enjoy the roaming parties we have now compared to XI pull back method. I feel they are going a bit XI-ish with some things but I also feel it's for the better at this point. They need to get back to what they know then expand and stretch outwards.

[Stanislaw]

Of course, who has really tried before when we had AoE to destroy the whole of a group of mobs ~5 levels above?

Yes, AoEing lower level mobs is probably the most effective form of getting exp in this game (ala THM party in Wolf Camp in Nathalan). I won't argue with that. However, that still doesn't mean killing lower level mobs one at a time is less efficient than killing a mob with a 10 level difference.

I say this mostly because of how the dLv (the difference between the mob level and your level) works towards stat calculations in this game. I won't go into the details because it's long, but if you're curious look up Kaeko's posts. They are quite informative.

As far as I know, we do not have the /assist command. I could be wrong.

Found it:

/assist(/as) [player] Targets the target of a PC specified by a ‹t› or ‹p#› macro.

Lodestone Link (under Targeting)

[Rydin]

Rydin, honestly, when were you last in a party that didn't consist of five Thaumaturges and were facing 4-5 50+ mobs at a time? In my adventures with various jobs through U'ghamaro Mines lately, I have found that when it primarily consists of melee rather than THM, the fights are a lot more tedious.

What you call tedious I call fun

[Xoo]

Yes, AoEing lower level mobs is probably the most effective form of getting exp in this game (ala THM party in Wolf Camp in Nathalan). I won't argue with that. However, that still doesn't mean killing lower level mobs one at a time is less efficient than killing a mob with a 10 level difference.

I say this mostly because of how the dLv (the different between the mob level and your level) works towards stat calculations in this game. I won't go into the details because it's long, but if you're curious look up Kaeko's posts. They are quite informative.

At level 50, and with a bunch of Thaumaturge, that's a given. Say you're with a group of Lv30's and a single THM? What then? I stand corrected on /assist, thanks.

[Xoo]

What you call tedious I call fun

Of course, more danger equates fun. But, you still didn't really answer the question.