Quote Originally Posted by Riusvell View Post
You had me for a moment until the later parts and a bit in the beginning.

The summons feel even less meaningful in this inception of Summoner.
Right now it honestly feels like we've become a rather generic mage flinging around spells that happen to look like the primals, taking away any identity that we've had.

The rework was rushed and ill thought of, and just appeased the people that claim that carelessly flinging around a spell with a primal's effect = Summoner.

It's fine if you like it, but do understand where some of us are coming from and also that it wasn't just about the DoTs. The DoTs I liked because it was something relatively new to Summoner, no longer being coupled to either Black Mage/White mage. But now we're basically something that attempts being a mage while spectacularly failing at doing so. It has no identity right now.
I think in terms of Design and identity it does feel to me like being a summoner, because you do Summon simalcrums of the primals.

In terms of old summoner, i understand why people liked the dots, but that identity shrank over time, and eventually was divorced from the rest of the class. Every attempt that was made to make the dots synergize with the rest fo the kit ultimatly failed and was reworked. There is nothing wrong with a dot class, but being Heavy on dots + heavy on pets / summons didnt really work.

The current summoner identity resolves around evoking the primals and using their essence to fight. Im not sure what you mean by less meaningful in the sense that the entire rotation is a rotation of summons. The only thing i can think you mean is that the arcanum summons appear do stuff then vanish again. While demis sit and pew pew. Having Garuda, ifrit and titan remain would be ideal, but i think the reason they didnt is due to the carbuncle spells.

But if its you want the pets to be more like oG egis, then id rather take this rendition and the demi stystem. Yes they are, merely animations, but id take that and the possibility of a wider reptoire of summons in the future over the old system where we sat on a choice of one or the other.

I dont think its bad or wrong for someone to dislike new summoner, but i think if people want the old summoner, that ship has sunk and failed. There is only one case of SQEX ever going back on a rework, and that was Caster bard - and in reality they only removed cast times.

I dont agree that the Summoner lacks identity, its about summoning Simalcrums of primals and infusing their aether into the summoners own spells - I will concede that the summons are mostly animations and people who wanted an actual "pet" would find it unrewarding. But then the alternative is the janky pet ui and a limitation on what summons we can get.