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    Tearagi Eruzure
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    Gilgamesh
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    Blue Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Kazimere View Post
    Samurai and BLM topping rDPS was busted. It meant their aDPS was so far above the others that the buffed damage (which is given to the buffer) still wasn't enough to cover the spread. That is straight up busted. If people knew how to read the brackets this wouldn't be an issue, but they don't. They look at what fflogs uses for rankings and says that how things are, when it is not the case.
    Not reading and they just saying something was busted before doesn't contribute anything, it's just repeating yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Akiudo View Post
    see but thats exactly the point, the classes with raid (dps) buffs NEED to actually deal more RAID dps in the perfect scenario or they will in fact allways be worse. the fact that they gain more by having an optimized group means they also lose more by having a group that isn't perfectly optimized.
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    lets say classes had no "support", i.e. heals, shields, rezzes and whatnot, only dps buffs. exactly because raid buffs can and do stack to the high heavens you can now

    1) make it so in a "perfect" scenario the buffers actually offer more raid dps meaning they will be stronger at the top and than get overtaken relatively early on when you go lower

    or

    2)you make it so that even in that case the "pure classes" do more meaning they will simply allways be stronger.

    acting like samurais being overtaken at 95% while still being stronger everytime before is an issue but samurai simply allways being the stronger choice is actually good design is turning raidbuffs into an detriment.
    You're viewing it too black and white, there's an acceptable margin they can be tuned into, but as long as a class with a raidbuff has a higher rDPS (read: they are contributing more damage with their buff and aDPS than a SAM or BLM can contribute with rDPS) then a group optimising will never consider the SAM or the BLM as they are numerically incapable of competing with the multiplicative bonuses raidbuffs feed into each other. If the SAM or the BLM contributes slightly more rDPS (read: enough to cover the gap a multiplicative raidbuff would give instead) then any job is competitive.

    In a perfect and infinite set of data, ideally everything would contribute an equitable amount of rDPS, but from the incomplete data we have access to BLM and SAM should very slightly lead as it would indicate competitive value.
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    Last edited by tearagion; 01-06-2022 at 04:38 AM.