Summoner Needs to be buffed

[Atmaweapon510]

The impression I get from these complaints feels like everyone's problem would be solved if:

-Dreadwyrm Trance requires 2 stacks before Astral Flow becomes Deathflare, similar to how you had to DT twice before summoning Bahamut at level 70 before the rework.
-Upon learning Phoenix, DT just immediately makes Astral Flow become Deathflare with the second cast being Rekindle.

So now it's objectively not a dps loss to hit level 80 at the cost of level 60 being flatter.

[Shurrikhan]

-Dreadwyrm Trance requires 2 stacks before Astral Flow becomes Deathflare, similar to how you had to DT twice before summoning Bahamut at level 70 before the rework.
-Upon learning Phoenix, DT just immediately makes Astral Flow become Deathflare with the second cast being Rekindle.

So now it's objectively not a dps loss to hit level 80 at the cost of level 60 being flatter.

Or just give Phoenix its Deathflare equivalent instead of needlessly nerfing level 60 (unless, of course, SMN really is overtuned from lv60 to lv69)?

[Cithaerias_pyropina]

Every job gets one at 50/60/70/80/90 but SMN is the only one that has this weird dps drop when acquiring a supposedly good trait

Gonna keep mentioning it til the devs do something about it. SMN also has a DPS loss during the level 45 to 50 range when Emerald Carbuncle shifts into Garuda. A 400 potency single target attack shifting into a 100 potency AoE. It's only 5 levels but the point still stands.

[Shurrikhan]

Gonna keep mentioning it til the devs do something about it. SMN also has a DPS loss during the level 45 to 50 range when Emerald Carbuncle shifts into Garuda. A 400 potency single target attack shifting into a 100 potency AoE. It's only 5 levels but the point still stands.

I think this one is more an issue of having no choice. There should be an added future benefit for cycling Garuda in over Ifrit, eventually strong enough to overcome that loss even in pure single-target fights (e.g., most serious content), but it should still be wholly a choice, much like Monk's Blitzes (the setup for a Lunar Blitz is stronger than a Solar Blitz, its alternative, but you need to cycle in both to get your pay-off later).

In that case, the addition of Garuda would at first do for SMN what [AoE] Bioblaster (over [ST] Drill) does for Machinist, and later give something you still need to cycle in, but should time to the best possible opportunity (per macrorotational cycle) to milk that AoE.

[remiff]

Gonna keep mentioning it til the devs do something about it. SMN also has a DPS loss during the level 45 to 50 range when Emerald Carbuncle shifts into Garuda. A 400 potency single target attack shifting into a 100 potency AoE. It's only 5 levels but the point still stands.

Yes summoner get 2 nerfs during leveling .45-50
and lvl 80 with Phoenix .

[Maxilor]

Honestly it would make more sense to turn the Phoenix heal into a slightly less potency Death Flare with a debuff that adds a small heal to anyone that attacks the target.

[remiff]

Honestly it would make more sense to turn the Phoenix heal into a slightly less potency Death Flare with a debuff that adds a small heal to anyone that attacks the target.

The easiest way for them would be to replace physick with the phoenix healing spell''stack spell'', and use and reduce the revelation animation to make it equivalent to the deathflare.
or completely delete the phénix excog, but that will be great to give utility to use physick, this spell is completely useless and its finally give it a real interest.

[gumas]

maybe jut me but should ifrit gemshine (ifrit attunement spell) need to have bigger potency? the titan and garuda attunement spell is fine because its instant and garuda has fast gcd thus less potency, but ifrit attunement being at 2.4-3 seconds is a bit... weak? the damage should be equivalent of BLM fire 4 with 3 astral fire at least for me.

[Drekor]

From what I've seen I'd say phoenix needs major buffs to at least be on par with bahamut phase(or bahamut needs a nerf I guess), because it feels super bad to have to use phoenix. Also I generally don't think summoner DPS should get much of a buff. It's mobility and utility should leave it down with the ranged physical.

[Risvertasashi]

(or bahamut needs a nerf I guess)

If you want to take SMN from the second lowest DPS to the absolute worst DPS, this would do it.

Also I generally don't think summoner DPS should get much of a buff. It's mobility and utility should leave it down with the ranged physical.

Then summoner needs ALL cast times and melee restrictions removed. (And it'd still be low even for physical ranged DPS)

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Man, I wonder why so many people really seem to have it out for summoner and just want the job to be absolutely terrible...