Summoner Needs to be buffed

[Warlyx]

Bahamut and Phoenix you weave Fester (that's why your energy drain is 45 seconds) between your casts.

Ifrit you weave a Ruin IV
Titan and Garuda abilities are instant these you weave between ruin III casts....but apparently this concept goes over the head for some despite it being the most obvious rotation since DRG rotation.

hahahahaha that made my day....

[ShaolinMike]

Bahamut and Phoenix you weave Fester (that's why your energy drain is 45 seconds) between your casts.

Ifrit you weave a Ruin IV
Titan and Garuda abilities are instant these you weave between ruin III casts....but apparently this concept goes over the head for some despite it being the most obvious rotation since DRG rotation.

There's no way this could have possibly been a serious comment. Trolling, right? Right?

[Risvertasashi]

...huh...

I don't think I've seen something like this since heavensward-era bard mage. Back when oGCDs with cast times would clip the GCD, but a certain select few on the forums claimed it wouldn't..

[Shurrikhan]

...huh...

I don't think I've seen something like this since heavensward-era bard mage. Back when oGCDs with cast times would clip the GCD, but a certain select few on the forums claimed it wouldn't..

That depends on the cast time. An oGCD with a cast time lower than the gap between the preceding weaponskill's animation lock plus twice one's ping and the end of the GCD would not clip one's GCD. Longer, it would. Exactly as the sum of castless oGCD's animation locks (and twice ping each) work.

That being said, Empyreal Arrow was not an ability at the time, but a weaponskill that incurred but did not respect the global cooldown, hence its having a cast penalty when and only when under Wanderer's Minuet. Atop the fact that casts can do not incur following animation locks in excess of their casts, unlike instant abilities, it created its own global cooldown. As such, it could not clip the GCD... largely because it caused its own, shorter GCD. If used early enough following an instant-cast (Feint, Haymaker, or Straighter Shot), that partial (50% or 60%, I forget) GCD incurred would not cost further uptime, however, which may be what you're thinking of.

[JanVanding]

Now I understand why people ended up actually linking Abacus material here because it's like talking to a brick wall.

Arrogant? Oh I'm sorry I was on my mobile and got the time of 1 spell wrong but it literally took me all of 5 seconds to look and lo and behold, world number 1 SMN does not just keep smacking 1 button over and over and over and over.

Arrogance is refusing to admit you're doing something wrong while refusing to look at the data in front of you.

And yes, Weaving is putting another skill in between a GCD, it has been forever, it has been in every MMO, you don't get to redefine that term and you certainly don't get to dictate state of balance to anyone.

Given I'm seeing comments like SMN should destroy RDM (a job that is intended to have an element of risk due to the fact they actually do a melee combo) shows you are the last people to be talking about balance because you wanted the .0 SMN is God dps and are just mad that it's not true.

You're a low risk job, you get the low risk dps, don't like it? Switch to a higher risk job.

[dinnertime]

You're the same person that said it's optimal play for SMN to use the gap-closer and use the shield and eat a mechanic so you can cast more which basically implies it doesn't have much mobility, and that it needs to "weave" in stuff (That's on the GCD) between Ruin 3 casts, and you're saying it's a low-risk job? LOL

If you're going to troll, at least sound convincing.

[rewd]

We already have a troll for our SMN threads, you need to do better if you want to take their place. They represent a fierce competition.

[Visanis]

Arrogance is refusing to admit you're doing something wrong while refusing to look at the data in front of you.

And yes, Weaving is putting another skill in between a GCD, it has been forever, it has been in every MMO, you don't get to redefine that term and you certainly don't get to dictate state of balance to anyone.

So you still believe that you "weave" the summon gemshines in between Ruin 3?

You do know that you only cast one singular Ruin 3 every minute right? You know that the summon attacks are ON the GCD right? That the only summon attack that isn't ON the GCD is when you have mountain buster OFF GCD's to weave with Titan right?

Of course you know this, you've clearly leveled SMM to 90 and have played it extensively. :^)

[PotatoGirl]

Arrogance is refusing to admit you're doing something wrong while refusing to look at the data in front of you.

And yes, Weaving is putting another skill in between a GCD, it has been forever, it has been in every MMO, you don't get to redefine that term and you certainly don't get to dictate state of balance to anyone.

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Dear god I hope you realize most summon spells are actually SPELLS and on the GCD. The only actual "weaving" is with titan's summon. If you hard cast ruin III at all during summon phases youre intentionally screwing up your own timings for your next demi which in itself is losing dps.
Have you actually played the job since 6.0 or are you a troll like everyone else is correctly assuming

[Risvertasashi]

Dear god I hope you realize most summon spells are actually SPELLS and on the GCD. The only actual "weaving" is with titan's summon. If you hard cast ruin III at all during summon phases youre intentionally screwing up your own timings for your next demi which in itself is losing dps.
Have you actually played the job since 6.0 or are you a troll like everyone else is correctly assuming

There's a number of people that have been sincerely asking for changes where the end result would be needing to hardcast ruin 3 more, which makes me think there's quite a few people that just don't get the new summoner rotation. Or maybe they only have 80~90% uptime or something...