Summoner Needs to be buffed

[Duskane]

Powercreep would like a word with you. Let's not trivialize content by making everything more powerful than the already broken op Monk and Reaper.

I think you misunderstood what i was saying

[JanVanding]

I have been playing Red Mage and Summoner back to back using various ways to determine damage output and Summoner is pulling waaaaaay below Red Mage which offers far more raid utility. Summoner clearly needs to a buff or it will have no place in savage raiding, please make some potency adjustments.

Sub stat weights.

SMN is a job that really really likes having DH now

DH is currently at a really poor rate right now, meaning SMN has to go for the less preferable Crit/Det as opposed to Crit/DH

Not to mention SMN now has the thing that has affected us BRDs for quite some time

Support Tax, SMN is now an RDPS rated job as opposed to a DPS rated job.

[Duskane]

Sub stat weights.

SMN is a job that really really likes having DH now

DH is currently at a really poor rate right now, meaning SMN has to go for the less preferable Crit/Det as opposed to Crit/DH

Not to mention SMN now has the thing that has affected us BRDs for quite some time

Support Tax, SMN is now an RDPS rated job as opposed to a DPS rated job.

you have no idea what you are talking about or trolling because SMN supports hasn't changed since Stormblood

[JanVanding]

you have no idea what you are talking about or trolling because SMN supports hasn't changed since Stormblood

So that shield isn't new? You didn't get a gap closer ability added? You didn't get to keep Rez which YoshiP said himself is over budget in your kit and they actually debated removing it?

And seriously go look at the breakpoints on Direct Hit, they're atrocious and until you can secondary it to the 40% breakpoint you're stuck with Det as your secondary substat.

SMNs are literally in a "gear sucks for me this tier" hole.

[dinnertime]

Why on EARTH would a gap-closer matter on a ranged DPS? Same with the shield that only affects YOU and not the entire party.

[Duskane]

So that shield isn't new? You didn't get a gap closer ability added? You didn't get to keep Rez which YoshiP said himself is over budget in your kit and they actually debated removing it?

And seriously go look at the breakpoints on Direct Hit, they're atrocious and until you can secondary it to the 40% breakpoint you're stuck with Det as your secondary substat.

SMNs are literally in a "gear sucks for me this tier" hole.

shield is just Titan shield and BLM both have a shield and ability to move around MUCH more frequent than SMN

yeah DH is lacking on gear but thats not whats wrong with SMN

[JanVanding]

Why on EARTH would a gap-closer matter on a ranged DPS? Same with the shield that only affects YOU and not the entire party.

Spoken like someone that never did an EX or above.

Gap closer allows you to squeeze more casts off before having to move, shield if you're confident/know what you're doing let's you clear cast to eat a mech and not interrupt your casting flow because you had to stop to move.

Unless you're playing in an environment that has Enrage/hard dps checks, you're not going to be able to present a good case for where SMN needs buffing because you're not playing it at the optimal level.

Now, Do I think SMNs need buffs? Yes, but not flat potency buffs because their potencies are pretty good and will shine when they get to a decent DH breakpoint

They need cooldown and cast time tweaks as right now to optimally rotate they have to blow quickcast as part of their rotation (meaning no Quickcast for Rez) and the energy drain cooldown window is extremely precise with absolutely no give for anything with a transition phase.

They don't need uber buffing, they need tweaks and tidying up at the mechanical level.

[dinnertime]

Spoken like someone that never did an EX or above.

Gap closer allows you to squeeze more casts off before having to move, shield if you're confident/know what you're doing let's you clear cast to eat a mech and not interrupt your casting flow because you had to stop to move.

...Or just use Ruin IV during Ifrit phase if you have to move. Plus why would you need to shield and eat a mechanic to finish casting something? SMN casts at least three times per minute, everything else is instant. You basically played your cards wrong if you have to move and interrupt your three only spell casts.

This also applies to ShB SMN where you still had plenty of mobility due to Egi Assault. Basic knowledge.

[JanVanding]

...Or just use Ruin IV during Ifrit phase if you have to move. Plus why would you need to shield and eat a mechanic to finish casting something? SMN casts at least three times per minute, everything else is instant. You basically played your cards wrong if you have to move and interrupt your three only spell casts.

This also applies to ShB SMN where you still had plenty of mobility due to Egi Assault. Basic knowledge.

Someone isn't weaving Ruin III are they?

You're supposed to weave.....constantly are you absolutely sure I'm the one trolling here?

[dinnertime]

Someone isn't weaving Ruin III are they?

You're supposed to weave.....constantly are you absolutely sure I'm the one trolling here?

Which you only press once per minute? Anyway... you're very bad at trolling LOL