Summoner Needs to be buffed

[Mondschnee]

I agree that SMN needs to be buffed, just for the fact alone that it can be competitive enough to justify a spot in a raid. I wouldn't mind having more cast times for that. They probably won't adjust the rotation to be more engaging and have proper build up so I won't hope for that. :/

[IdowhatIwant]

So can anyone give an example of a complex DPS class currently?

[Dyvid]

Complex is subjective and not a good leg to stand on when discussing damage. FFXIV doesn't really have "complex" jobs these days. Each role has or rather is suppose to have it's unique challenges when in comes to damage. Melee DPS has to stay within a bubble around the target, Magic DPS needs to stand still in order to cast, and Physical Ranged DPS provides Raid buffs.

SMN is the most mobile of the 3 with a raid damage boost, healing buff and raise ability.
RDM offer good mobility with raid damage boost, defense buff, along with healing and raise.
BLM offer decent mobility with no raid buffs.

The question who should deal more damage; SMN or RDM? How much should mobility play into that. RDM does have to stand still at times to cast and moving is a DPS lose were SMN doesn't in most regards.

I'm going to say SMN is going to get a buff based solo on SE decisions. Personally I feels SMN should be the lowest DPS of the 3 caster family mainly due to mobility. RDM insta raise does come into play but in things like farming runs for the hundredth time, people shouldn't be dying all too often and negates RDM's need to raise over DPS.

P.S. RPR is going to get a nerf as well.

[SargeTheSeagull]

No, summoner doesn’t need a buff. It needs a mini rework. It’s the most brain dead job in the game, there’s no feeling of “buildup” in the rotation at all, it takes no skill or thought to play effectively, it has practically no cast times, it’s healing utility is locked behind the first minute of the fight for some reason. Summoner is an absolute mess of a job and it needs major changes. I don’t mind it being simple, but there’s a difference between “simple” and “you literally cannot play improperly unless you refuse to press buttons”

[Maxilor]

In my opinion, a job's PDPS should be balanced with it's amount of Utility and RDPS potential REGARDLESS of the job's difficulty or complexity.

RDM provides more Utility and RDPS than SMN therefore SMN should do a bit more PDPS than RDM.

All DPS should have the potential to provide similar if not equal DPS Contribution to a fight no matter if they are Melee or Ranged.

The 'Range Tax' has lost it's purpose since most if not all Melee DPS classes have insane mobility nowadays.

Perceived Difficulty is up to the individual, a 'difficult' class to some may be child's play to another. Therefore, balancing DPS ability based on Perceived Difficulty is nonsense.

Thank you for reading.

[AnimazArk]

at least buff egis to do more dps than ranged classes, Mch And even BRDs are killing us, even with the last highest gear I can varely be above a bard and the instant I'm dead I go below on dps for the whole fight, sadly is easy to use but numbers aren't there, not good at all for savage :C please SE considere a buff

[Risvertasashi]

at least buff egis to do more dps than ranged classes, Mch And even BRDs are killing us, even with the last highest gear I can varely be above a bard and the instant I'm dead I go below on dps for the whole fight, sadly is easy to use but numbers aren't there, not good at all for savage :C please SE considere a buff

Death shouldn't be a balancing metric, but

If equal geared and equal skilled, the bard should be higher than you. Which is problematic in itself. SMN should either be buffed, or alternatively, the cast times and melee restrictions should be removed from absolutely every spell/skill. If other classes with no restrictions can do more damage, there's no reason for SMN to have more restrictions than them.

But that's also make SMN very boring, so I think it should just do more damage instead.

[Kolsykol]

I really wish SMN had one extra button, I feel like it'd be complete.
It just feels a bit monotonous atm >_<.
Like it's not a complete Job and too spammy.

It's kinda annoying because I truly like the concept a lot and think that the overall playstyle loop is great, it just needs the one extra button to make it a tad more busy.

[Shuuli]

I think we all know by now that the devs usually want fair treatment of all players regardless of what they choose to play. Their goal is that people will not get party finders where a certain job is always blocked out due to lack of dps / other party benefits.

To be fair, I have seen very few PF groups yet who set their requirements where SMN had no place. But I did see some.

However, I have also seen groups requesting WHM with SGE/SCH... I hope these won't become a tendency. Not really sure why.

Again, these were VERY FEW groups. And I assume they were parsing.

So, for now, I hope for the best. Let's see what changes in January. Its almost here guys

[Shiroe]

Smn utility was always and is about on par with Mnk, both with utility, therefor gud dps
(Mnks seems a tick stronger utility-wise, but Smn can rez if absolutely needed)
ranged were always the "heavy utility" dps, so they had lowest dps.., and since Mch lost lots of its utility, it has been "buffed" damage-wise..
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A nice fix to Smn, would be make one of its already existing primal moves throw out a dot too .... otherwise just buff Garuda's main skillset, that's when the Smn dps drops the most (right?)
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Why bring a Smn? atm Rdm seems to out dps it, + has some heavy dps
(Smn will start to have a hard time finding statics.. or later maybe even PFs..)