Summoner Needs to be buffed

[aveyond-dreams]

I am absolutely not in favor of moving things off the GCD so that we have to cast more of Ruin 3. No thanks. While at lower levels our spells may be called "Ruby/Topaz/Emerald Ruin" at later levels they are distinct abilities and I would rather cast more of those if not other primal themed spells than Ruin.

[IllyaPrisma]

They get lower DPS because they have more utility which means higher rDPS.

SMN has a raid buff, a self shield, a targeted heal from Phoenix, an AoE regen from Phoenix, they can Rez, they have Addle AND 95% of their rotation is instant cast.

[Kolsykol]

SMN has a raid buff, a self shield, a targeted heal from Phoenix, an AoE regen from Phoenix, they can Rez, they have Addle AND 95% of their rotation is instant cast.

The heals are honestly kinda meh since they're tied to Phoenix, I mean are you going to hold Phoenix until healing is '' needed ''?
It's not like the Reaper shield that can just be used on demand.

I dunno if we should count a self shield either.

[DES_VII]

We didn't ask for this rework to be this simple. Its not the players fault. It doesn't rely on clunky pet ui any longer. Regardless it is a caster. I'm not asking lets be above RDM/BM but come on now, some slight potency buffs are warranted here. bard is pulling ahead in some cases.

And personally I love new SMN. I find it fun. While others find it the other.

[Warlyx]

enkindle 2 charges 5s CD ?

remove the phoneix heal and put another nuke there similar to deathflare.

Phoenix phase is meeeeh but is on the odd timer (when no1 is buffing other than nin TA if u have one...)

[IllyaPrisma]

enkindle 2 charges 5s CD ?

remove the phoneix heal and put another nuke there similar to deathflare.

Lol, SMN effectively gets nerfed when they unlock Phoenix at 80. Phoenix needs 2 nukes, same as Bahamut.

[PotatoGirl]

I really wish people would stop acting like the heal from Phoenix is actually meaningful in terms of utility. No one in their right mind will hold it for a raid wide or heal checks. And their self shield hardly counts either. They have very little actual party utility outside of their res and a 3% dmg buff for the party.

[dinnertime]

SMN still has less reliable utility than RDM, so it should at least be above RDM in DPS. This argument has been around since ShB and it's silly because Phoenix's AoE and now Rekindle is never an on-demand thing. No one's going to hold onto Phoenix for heals when the healers in your group can easily take care of that.

SMN has: Searing Light and a rez, RDM has: Embolden, Magick Barrier and a rez. At that point why would you bring a SMN? It's just outclassed.

[Anvaire]

I dunno if we should count a self shield either.

Not unless we start classing Blm's Manawall as well as they operate the same way.

[Anvaire]

Also need take Ruin IV off the GCD.

I think taking Ruin IV off the GCD would be detrimental. It is often the only viable instant cast i have to move during ifrit phase as the long cast times make Slidecasting impractical and often if i am moving, im moving away from the boss rather than towards it. If its shimmying around the boss i use charge & SMash or ifrit summon itself. So while moving it to GCD wouldnt seem like a lot, in practical terms it would mean either skipping part of ifrit so as to not delay the next Demi or delaying the demi which over the course of the fight would result in quite a bit of drift.

That said i do think summoner could do a low potency instant not tied to any summons that can be used for weaving and movement in downtime and perhaps some more OGCD's to break up all the instants. Overall though, I think he job is in a good spot design wise just has some kinks. I do expect that a lot of the old SMN mains who played for the complexity (I am an old SMN main from ARR beta, but i played for the Aesthetic) are going to find this rendition lacking, but its got a clear identity now rather than the hodgepodge it was before - a few tweaks and it will be a solid job to play.