Summoner Needs to be buffed

[Sequora]

SMN is more mobile than RDM, so they shouldn't get on par with RDM IMO, though with these changes I think they will get close.

BLM needs a buff out of the casters.

DNC desperately needs a buff.

Red mage has more utility. The ability to rez more frequently, a better damage utility, damage reduction + healing buff.

SMN has rez, a damage buff, and a little more mobility.

Rekindle isn’t real utility.

[CKNovel]

If RDM res twice, it's out of MP.

Mobility tax has to be applied to SMN because it's mobile.
It sucks but you apply it to everyone or to no one.

Physical ranged can't res and barely heals, most agreed in ShB that you take the mobility tax or the cast.
The argument was "If p.Ranged are crazy mobile and deal good damage, what's the point of picking any other jobs?"
If SMN is at the level of RDM, what's the point of picking RDM at all?

[Akiudo]

Mobility tax has to be applied to SMN because it's mobile.
It sucks but you apply it to everyone or to no one.

see and this here is where this kind of balancing falls apart. if you apply a mobility tax to smn on the level of the physical ranged (which would be totally fair, 1 cast a minute or whatever is no reason to deal more damage, especially if you can rezz) than literally no one will want smn. if however you buff smn to at least close to redmage levels than physical ranged have every right to ask why they are punished for their mobility while smn gets the ability to rezz on top of superior damage.

[CKNovel]

see and this here is where this kind of balancing falls apart. if you apply a mobility tax to smn on the level of the physical ranged (which would be totally fair, 1 cast a minute or whatever is no reason to deal more damage, especially if you can rezz) than literally no one will want smn. if however you buff smn to at least close to redmage levels than physical ranged have every right to ask why they are punished for their mobility while smn gets the ability to rezz on top of superior damage.

The easy answer is to give SMN casts once again.
Best answer is to completely remove that "tax".

And if SQEX absolutely wants to avoid double ranged, they can simply limit party of 8 to 1 physical range. Though LB generation for example.
I can safely say most raiders just don't agree with the mobility tax.

[DezereDawn]

SMN has utility between RDM and BLM and as such should be inbetween them DPS wise as well, that's their design ethos anyways, hopefully we see a few small nudges in that direction, today's patch was already a good start putting them just below RDM

[Maxilor]

A simple change, but i'm happy.

The Summoning Worked!

[Satarn]

see and this here is where this kind of balancing falls apart. if you apply a mobility tax to smn on the level of the physical ranged (which would be totally fair, 1 cast a minute or whatever is no reason to deal more damage, especially if you can rezz) than literally no one will want smn. if however you buff smn to at least close to redmage levels than physical ranged have every right to ask why they are punished for their mobility while smn gets the ability to rezz on top of superior damage.

It's almost as if arbitrarily diving the DPS role into sub-roles based on damage type (which does not even make any mechanical difference anymore) and then trying to force groups to fill party slots with one of each type, was not very helpful for good balance and job design.

[Vallhallix]

Ahhh SMN, a class that has started out weak every single expansion, until they randomly turned the class into a physical ranged class (still have physick for some dumb reason) that does less damage than a Bard and significantly less than a caster with insta rez and more utility. WHAT. IS. THIS. DESIGN. PHILOSOPHY

How about this Square, stop giving summoner's random heals that are never up when you need them to begin with (phoenix regen is usually regening people already at full health 99% of the time so literally contributing nothing), and buff the damage

[MrJPtheAssassin]

I hate the mobility argument so damn much. Yes, smn doesn't have as many casts but that doesn't mean it should be so far behind rdm, who is so much better in utility. Guess I should be punished and kicked out of parties for a rdm just back I can move more :-/ I hate anyone who makes this asinine argument. Personally, I just want to be on the same level as rdm in dps. I don't want parties to have to ask the question "should we take a smn or rdm? Well, rdm is better because it has better dam and utility." I dont think that to much to ask for in terms of balancing the jobs.

[Mysticunicycle]

I have bad news for you they will never buff SMN enough to surpass RDM, rdm rotation is harder so higher dps is warranted.

And this is why reaper does the most damage in the game? Because it's massive wrinkle brain rotation deserves it?