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  1. #1
    Player
    Oextra's Avatar
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    Character
    Dehal Valdir
    World
    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ThorneDynasty View Post
    It's neck and neck with GNB (even slightly ahead depending on your criteria) and while this forum likes to make it out like DRK is some godly DPS powerhouse, it's barely managing a 100 per second lead. It's a little misleading to imply WAR has to pay some kind of DPS tax for having a healing factor that's completely beyond competition.
    WAR Zodiark Extreme is 200 behind GNB.
    https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings...l&spec=Warrior
    https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings...pec=Gunbreaker

    WAR Hydaelyn Extreme is 100-300 behind GNB
    https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings...l&spec=Warrior
    https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings...pec=Gunbreaker

    The list goes on. WAR will never out damage GNB unless it's a good WAR vs bad GNB. GNB is simply designed to do more damage. Just like WAR is designed to heal more.

    Also nobody is saying DRK doesn't need work, however it's not in a desperate situation as people like you are implying. All it really needs is self sustain that rivals GNB and it'd be perfectly fine in all content. Anything else would be a sweet sweet much appreciated bonus.

    EDIT: Ignore the original last paragraph. I reread your last sentence and misunderstood it initially. The healing factor only makes it stand out in easy content (dungeons) and specifically in wall to wall pulls. Boss fight wise, PLD shines just as brightly in dungeons. Outside of that it doesn't really matter.
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    Last edited by Oextra; 12-29-2021 at 11:36 AM.

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    Player
    Oizen's Avatar
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    Character
    Alondite Ragnell
    World
    Marilith
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Oextra View Post
    WAR Zodiark Extreme is 200 behind GNB.
    https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings...l&spec=Warrior
    https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings...pec=Gunbreaker

    WAR Hydaelyn Extreme is 100-300 behind GNB
    https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings...l&spec=Warrior
    https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings...pec=Gunbreaker

    The list goes on. WAR will never out damage GNB unless it's a good WAR vs bad GNB. GNB is simply designed to do more damage. Just like WAR is designed to heal more.

    Also nobody is saying DRK doesn't need work, however it's not in a desperate situation as people like you are implying. All it really needs is self sustain that rivals GNB and it'd be perfectly fine in all content. Anything else would be a sweet sweet much appreciated bonus.

    Lastly how are simple balance points (heal more do less damage, vice versa, etc.) misleading? That just doesn't make any sense. If WAR did the most damage, healed the most, and had the most mitigation it would truly be broken. Any tank in that scenario would be broken. So it's common sense for every class to have pros and cons.
    I actually don't think its the high end content DRK is falling behind in. Its dungeons and progression content.

    WAR can literally wall to wall with nothing but 1 skill and its aoes and output a heal better than abyssal drain every 25 seconds. You don't even need shit like Repraisal/Rampart or any other blocking move.
    Meanwhile DRK has to use everything in its kit to do the same and still needs its hand held by a healer through the entire thing. It feels really bad.
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    ThorneDynasty's Avatar
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    Character
    Gisela Thorne
    World
    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Oextra View Post
    WAR Zodiark Extreme is 200 behind GNB.
    https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings...l&spec=Warrior
    https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings...pec=Gunbreaker

    WAR Hydaelyn Extreme is 100-300 behind GNB
    https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings...l&spec=Warrior
    https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings...pec=Gunbreaker

    The list goes on. WAR will never out damage GNB unless it's a good WAR vs bad GNB. GNB is simply designed to do more damage. Just like WAR is designed to heal more.

    Also nobody is saying DRK doesn't need work, however it's not in a desperate situation as people like you are implying. All it really needs is self sustain that rivals GNB and it'd be perfectly fine in all content. Anything else would be a sweet sweet much appreciated bonus.

    EDIT: Ignore the original last paragraph. I reread your last sentence and misunderstood it initially. The healing factor only makes it stand out in easy content (dungeons) and specifically in wall to wall pulls. Boss fight wise, PLD shines just as brightly in dungeons. Outside of that it doesn't really matter.
    If the top <1 percent is the only category of player that matters to you, but even for well above average ones those number start to become a lot closer.
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