Current EX trial completed without Healers

[AFuzzyMu11in]

I don't think as a shield healer I had to use single target skills in current extremes outside EX2 ad phase tanks if people are doing mechanics properly, meaning no extra dmg/deaths.
For dungeon bosses tankbusters might was well not exist from our perspective if your tank is not DRK once they have the CDs with regen, all we get to do there is spam dps skills with occational raidwide heal.

Just false so much false ugh. I hate these high raider static takes I wish players like this wil stop giving their experiences when they are not relative to the majority of the game in party finder/duty finder. The game is not balanced around you stop crying for it to be.

[ASkellington]

Just false so much false ugh. I hate these high raider static takes I wish players like this wil stop giving their experiences when they are not relative to the majority of the game in party finder/duty finder. The game is not balanced around you stop crying for it to be.

I'm not a high raider with a static. If anything I pug. That's one.

I'm just a healer who's been around the MMO block. Healing in other MMOs is actually challenging. Its not here. There is no resource management with mana outside of WHM rn. If you're AST between Lucid and Astrodyne you'll rarely run out of mana. Even with raises.

There is no managing cool downs. Like I said with Exaltation everything doesn't come up often enough. And even IF there is a buster that I can't cover with Exalt I have two charges of unecessary CI that's on an absurdly short CD. I can cover raidwides, which are also roughly on a 60s timer with ES and/or CO. I don't even use CU unless there's a stack marker or an Ahk Morn that I don't have an ES to cover. And don't get me started on Horoscope. Most of Shb I felt it was either it or CO and I like Celestial better. I still do but I'll use it more now since I can Helios it and just pop it when I want it.

So, two things I find fun with healing nonexistant in the game. What else is there?

[AFuzzyMu11in]

I'm not a high raider with a static. If anything I pug. That's one.

I'm just a healer who's been around the MMO block. Healing in other MMOs is actually challenging. Its not here. There is no resource management with mana outside of WHM rn. If you're AST between Lucid and Astrodyne you'll rarely run out of mana. Even with raises.

There is no managing cool downs. Like I said with Exaltation everything doesn't come up often enough. And even IF there is a buster that I can't cover with Exalt I have two charges of unecessary CI that's on an absurdly short CD. I can cover raidwides, which are also roughly on a 60s timer with ES and/or CO. I don't even use CU unless there's a stack marker or an Ahk Morn that I don't have an ES to cover. And don't get me started on Horoscope. Most of Shb I felt it was either it or CO and I like Celestial better. I still do but I'll use it more now since I can Helios it and just pop it when I want it.

So, two things I find fun with healing nonexistant in the game. What else is there?

Managing cool downs/Resources as you describe is not “fun” to players like me that is what you don’t get. The current state of weaving constantly and making sure you stay alive /plus figuring out what abilities are best used where as well as optimal positioning is fun. Learning mechanics outside of ex1 rotation geometry is fun. What you described is “challenging fun” for those who want to be frustrated by the stress of being pushed to the brink. That isn’t fun for the majority and thank god the game isn’t balanced around you or majority wouldn’t play it. Aka the people like myself who quit healing early 2.0 over stuff like cleric stance.

[ASkellington]

Managing cool downs/Resources as you describe is not “fun” to players like me that is what you don’t get. The current state of weaving constantly and making sure you stay alive /plus figuring out what abilities are best used where as well as optimal positioning is fun. Learning mechanics outside of ex1 rotation geometry is fun. What you described is “challenging fun” for those who want to be frustrated by the stress of being pushed to the brink. That isn’t fun for the majority and thank god the game isn’t balanced around you or majority wouldn’t play it. Aka the people like myself who quit healing early 2.0 over stuff like cleric stance.

Then perhaps healing wasn't meant for you?

If healing was still the same in 2.0 as it is now (with some changes obviously) people who want to play healer, would be wanting to play them.

[Aword3213]

Then perhaps healing wasn't meant for you?

If healing was still the same in 2.0 as it is now (with some changes obviously) people who want to play healer, would be wanting to play them.

Then perhapes current healing isn't meant for you?

Things change. Old healer design keeps away certain groups of people. New healer design draws in new groups groups of people, but alienates the others.

Maybe it's your turn to get alienated?

[Sebazy]

No matter how true your reasonsing behind the disappointment in current healer, surely there're many other better evidence than quoting the statement which devs did not say?

I probably should have been clearer but I also get the feeling that you're misreading what I'm saying.

The Mr Happy interview was disappointing because it skirted around the issues I had been raising here for years now. Clearly there was backlash over it as I distinctly remember Mr Happy having to comment later that his hands were tied with what he could ask Yoshida. This suggested that we were in for a repeat of Shadowbringers with SE plugging their fingers in their ears and plowing on forward with healers.

The Zepla interview was quite a contrast in how candidly Yoshida replied, perhaps there was less scripting? Perhaps Zepla went off script entirely? I couldn't say but it was a more interesting take and it contrasted with his response to Mr Happy ****IN MY HUMBLE OPINION**** (just to make that clear).

I'm not trying to suggest that they are making statements that they are not. You can leave that to the people that still take the whole Gordias 'healers aren't counted into DPS requirements' comedy as gospel. Thanks.

Then perhapes current healing isn't meant for you?

Things change. Old healer design keeps away certain groups of people. New healer design draws in new groups groups of people, but alienates the others.

Maybe it's your turn to get alienated?

The real question here is, why should a game with 4 distinct healer jobs spread across 2 distinct healer types be alienating anyone?

[Aword3213]

I probably should have been clearer but I also get the feeling that you're misreading what I'm saying.

The Mr Happy interview was disappointing because it skirted around the issues I had been raising here for years now. Clearly there was backlash over it as I distinctly remember Mr Happy having to comment later that his hands were tied with what he could ask Yoshida. This suggested that we were in for a repeat of Shadowbringers with SE plugging their fingers in their ears and plowing on forward with healers.

The Zepla interview was quite a contrast in how candidly Yoshida replied, perhaps there was less scripting? Perhaps Zepla went off script entirely? I couldn't say but it was a more interesting take and it contrasted with his response to Mr Happy ****IN MY HUMBLE OPINION**** (just to make that clear).

I'm not trying to suggest that they are making statements that they are not. You can leave that to the people that still take the whole Gordias 'healers aren't counted into DPS requirements' comedy as gospel. Thanks.

You're mistaking my point. These has nothing to do with my original reply.

What the developer actually said is right there for you to examine. Feel free to judge Yoshida all you want.

As pointed out in other reply, certain posts ***clting*** Yoshida statement were simply not true at all. Enjoy your guesswork all you want, but the acutal statement and the statement quoted by some people in these forum simply don't match.

Whether the statement reflects what we see in the game is another matter, but that's not why I'm here.

If one wants to cite the statement made by the developer, at least do it correctly.

This has nothing to do with my perosnal take on healing design. Surely you understand my whole post was only about the citation, right? riiiight? but now I see what you're trying to label me . That says a lot about you

The real question here is, why should a game with 4 distinct healer jobs spread across 2 distinct healer types be alienating anyone?

suggestive question. It's common knowledge that nothing can please every one. There will always be some groups being alienated.

By the way, I'm not usually the type that tells people to walk away when they complain. Try ask your question to the person who was doing the "alienate" stuff, which would be the one I quoted from. I'm not the expert on such matter

[Deceptus]

Clearly there was backlash over it as I distinctly remember Mr Happy having to comment later that his hands were tied with what he could ask Yoshida.

This confirms my earlier Shadowbringers suspicions that the questions were pre-vetted and they were told what they could ask and what they couldn't ask. If not explicitly, then very generally "we would prefer if you wouldn't ask about that topic".

[ASkellington]

Then perhapes current healing isn't meant for you?

Things change. Old healer design keeps away certain groups of people. New healer design draws in new groups groups of people, but alienates the others.

Maybe it's your turn to get alienated?

Frankly I don't see why I should be alienated. Why should the people who want to play the role be alienated because the devs want to cater to the people who don't want to play the role in the first place?

Do not misunderstand me, I am all for getting more people into enjoying healing and having a bigger healing player base. How SE has done it, is where I take my disagreements. Instead of easing new players into a harder role they made the role easy and give little to no reward for getting good at it.

There is a middle ground.

[Aword3213]

Frankly I don't see why I should be alienated. Why should the people who want to play the role be alienated because the devs want to cater to the people who don't want to play the role in the first place?

Do not misunderstand me, I am all for getting more people into enjoying healing and having a bigger healing player base. How SE has done it, is where I take my disagreements. Instead of easing new players into a harder role they made the role easy and give little to no reward for getting good at it.

There is a middle ground.

I didn't say you should be alientated, did I?

Do not misunderstand me, I am all for getting more people into enjoying healing and having a bigger healing player base. It's sad to see people get alienated over the expansion. It's not like I agree with everything what SE has done to healer role.

There's surely a middle ground, but honestly, I think SE failed on that part not only on healer roles but tank role as well. I think we still have long way to go before SE find that middle ground

I just don't think you have any hopes to win by playing "healing wasn't mean for you" card against people who embrace current healer design, because ,apparently, current environment is working to their favor.