Its exactly like every DRK thought.

[ThorneDynasty]

PPM is a very stupid metric to use because you don't pop everything the moment it's on cooldown. The stats in that thread lack so much context they're basically worthless.

For instance they seem to think you'll be using divine veil and shake it off on cooldown as personal shields? (Let's ignore the fact that they think divine veil applies to the PLD for second here.) It also ignores the fact that PLD has passive blocking as an extra, unique form of mitigation that none of the other tanks have.

It's dumb.

This might have any merit if DRK had literally any on-demand burst healing capability, in the sense what does it matter if you have ten or one healing skills if you never need more than one (which I don't think has been shown to be the case). But it only has a 60s cooldown and only in multi-target encounters.

[Praesul]

Everything I said still applies. PPM is a stupid, misleading metric to use. There is a gap in healing capabilities between the jobs that's for sure, but it's not as wide as PPM would lead you to believe because again, you don't use everything on CD. Unless you think using equilibrium at full HP is a good idea, in which case you shouldn't even take part in this discussion. You also do not use shake it off on cooldown as a personal defensive ability. These stats are near worthless, no ifs ands or buts.
It also fails to take into account how mitigation affects shields, because % mitigation will make shields even stronger whereas it has no effect on cure potencies.

There's legitimate things you could point to as evidence for buffing this job or that, but these stats are not them. Rework living dead, buff oblation or TBN, rework blood weapon, all of these are valid complaints. But "whoah look at how much shield and heal ppm all the other tanks have!" is not valid because that's just not how the game works at all.

It would be like pointing out how high some dps job bursts within the first 10 seconds of an encounter and calling for nerfs just based on those metrics when in actuality it's damage output levels off and is within range of everyone else once you get past those 10 seconds.

[Ryaduera]

It would be like pointing out how high some dps job bursts within the first 10 seconds of an encounter and calling for nerfs just based on those metrics when in actuality it's damage output levels off and is within range of everyone else once you get past those 10 seconds.

Except that with tanks, those moments define how the encounter will go. When a DPS goes down it sucks, but just res and try to fit yourself in the next burst window, move on. A tank goes down? Much larger issue. The maximum potential of a tank must be considered especially given the colossal difference and canyon-wide gap.

[Valknut]

Everything I said still applies. PPM is a stupid, misleading metric to use. There is a gap in healing capabilities between the jobs that's for sure, but it's not as wide as PPM would lead you to believe because again, you don't use everything on CD. Unless you think using equilibrium at full HP is a good idea, in which case you shouldn't even take part in this discussion. You also do not use shake it off on cooldown as a personal defensive ability. These stats are near worthless, no ifs ands or buts.
It also fails to take into account how mitigation affects shields, because % mitigation will make shields even stronger whereas it has no effect on cure potencies.

There's legitimate things you could point to as evidence for buffing this job or that, but these stats are not them. Rework living dead, buff oblation or TBN, rework blood weapon, all of these are valid complaints. But "whoah look at how much shield and heal ppm all the other tanks have!" is not valid because that's just not how the game works at all.

It would be like pointing out how high some dps job bursts within the first 10 seconds of an encounter and calling for nerfs just based on those metrics when in actuality it's damage output levels off and is within range of everyone else once you get past those 10 seconds.

I disagree 100%

An if you played DRK, you would to. Your welcome to the FFlogs, instead of the PPM to deny the facts if you want, they are also their in the main post. Also the main issue of DRK vs other tanks right now is wall to wall pulling in dungeons, and nothing else. Guess how long wall to wall pulls last? About 1 min.

[Dracosavarian]

Everything I said still applies. PPM is a stupid, misleading metric to use. There is a gap in healing capabilities between the jobs that's for sure, but it's not as wide as PPM would lead you to believe because again, you don't use everything on CD. Unless you think using equilibrium at full HP is a good idea, in which case you shouldn't even take part in this discussion. You also do not use shake it off on cooldown as a personal defensive ability. These stats are near worthless, no ifs ands or buts.
It also fails to take into account how mitigation affects shields, because % mitigation will make shields even stronger whereas it has no effect on cure potencies.

There's legitimate things you could point to as evidence for buffing this job or that, but these stats are not them. Rework living dead, buff oblation or TBN, rework blood weapon, all of these are valid complaints. But "whoah look at how much shield and heal ppm all the other tanks have!" is not valid because that's just not how the game works at all.

It would be like pointing out how high some dps job bursts within the first 10 seconds of an encounter and calling for nerfs just based on those metrics when in actuality it's damage output levels off and is within range of everyone else once you get past those 10 seconds.

Genuinely curious. How would you advise one to go about measuring it then?

[Absimiliard]

This might have any merit if DRK had literally any on-demand burst healing capability

DRK has an excellent on-demand burst healing skill. It's called death and respawn, and it completely refills your health.