Paladin weakest Tank now

[ForteNightshade]

I sympathize but the same happens to us too. You shave a bit off our damage (even though GNB still has highest besides two or three drks that might have found a boss cheese or live inside the server building) and we shave a bit of your surv and self sustain.

Not recently. While DRK wasn't meta in Shadowbringers, it curved out a sizable niche throughout the expansion; usually hovering at 20% or higher. It even beat out PLD in Eden's Promise speed runs. Warrior, on the other hand, was essentially dead.

Shaving off a little of DRK's damage—i.e. 50-75 rDPS—would still keep it top tier in damage but just not render PLD obsolete. Even if you wanted to axe some of their mitigation, which I don't think is even necessary as Warrior is way stronger in that regard, you'd hardly see much complaint. Like I said, this game is primarily about damage. A good utility job with low DPS often dies. For all the love WAR is getting right now, if those massive heals don't lead to extra healer GCDs then nobody will care—especially not when Inner Chaos and Inner Release conflict with crit buffs.

[Lyth]

That was all rather dramatic, wasn't it?

Jobs that do less damage don't simply die, or return to the star, if you prefer. By that reasoning, DRK has been dead for the most part after Heavensward. If you think it's bad having a job with a ton of utility doing less dps, imagine being the job that has minimal to no utility and still does less dps.

The term 'utility' is a nebulous term and largely refers to beneficial things that don't directly translate into damage. Maybe it helps you do mechanics more easily. But a tank that heals itself without healer intervention is not a utility advantage. That's a dps advantage. Why run two healers when you can drop one, go PLD/WAR, and bring a fifth DPS?

But do you know what the real reason for the dps difference is? Living Dead. Rather than burning through precious resources and dps uptime trying to keep you alive through a basic, fundamental tank cooldown, your healers now finally have the option to let you just die and have your caster swiftcast raise you. This way, the self-healing faceroll tanks will still be more valuable, but at least it won't be as painful.

[GalaxyEyes]

That was all rather dramatic, wasn't it?

Jobs that do less damage don't simply die, or return to the star, if you prefer. By that reasoning, DRK has been dead for the most part after Heavensward. If you think it's bad having a job with a ton of utility doing less dps, imagine being the job that has minimal to no utility and still does less dps.

The term 'utility' is a nebulous term and largely refers to beneficial things that don't directly translate into damage. Maybe it helps you do mechanics more easily. But a tank that heals itself without healer intervention is not a utility advantage. That's a dps advantage. Why run two healers when you can drop one, go PLD/WAR, and bring a fifth DPS?

But do you know what the real reason for the dps difference is? Living Dead. Rather than burning through precious resources and dps uptime trying to keep you alive through a basic, fundamental tank cooldown, your healers now finally have the option to let you just die and have your caster swiftcast raise you. This way, the self-healing faceroll tanks will still be more valuable, but at least it won't be as painful.

you may put a tag "joke" on that comment, ppl may think you are serious on that.

[Yeol]

We'll still see PLD in week 1 clears. Hopefully, job adjustments will give it a tiny buff.

[Windwalker]

Drk makes me sad, i can't pull as much as i can as a warrior or paladin, not enough sustain besides that lame 60 second cooldown skill. Warrior can self heal with a 15 second skill and Paladn can just spam Clemency.

[Zordrage]

Drk makes me sad, i can't pull as much as i can as a warrior or paladin, not enough sustain besides that lame 60 second cooldown skill. Warrior can self heal with a 15 second skill and Paladn can just spam Clemency.

Agree.

As a DRK you have simply no real response when shits hit the fans.
DRK is the only tank that is 100% depended on how good the healer is or if the healer is sleeping or not.
ALL the other tanks can go on for sometime without heals if the healers seriously screw up somehow. As a DRK ? you just gonna eat dirt in that momment.

[currentlemon]

I switched from DRK to PLD when 6.0 released and I did it because DRK is boring to me now. It got no meaningful changes when compared to PLD and it still feels like we are playing ShB DRK but slightly worse (aside from maybe the damage). A part of me still can't believe we got "Enhanced Unmend" as a useless trait. I am 1 level away from level 90 but PLD just feels good. Buttons feel good to press, Rotation is amazing, Mitigation is Godlike, and the skills and spells look amazing to see . Damage is low, but I do not care about damage. SE can buff the damage at a later patch. If I'm having fun right now, I'm having fun.

Though I do plan on playing Extreme and Savage content this expansion (I missed out in 5.0), it looks like PLD will be my main tank. Though I do hope SE will do a full rework to DRK at a later time. Hoping 6.1 will give it justice.

Edit: I didn't even play HW and StB DRK either. Shadowbringers DRK was my first introduction to the job and I got bored of it over time.

[Zensho]

TLDR: PLD on paper is the weakest tank, but in real world gameplay (or maybe this is just my fantasy) it feels fuggin AMAZING.

This can be said for a lot of sports cars in the real world too, on paper they seem like a joke, but when you drive them on a real road and feel the visceral experience for what they really are and what they were designed for, they roxxorz yer boxxorz! PLD is the Scion FR-S of tanks, which I have owned and driven 10/10ths compared to other high horsepower machines that left me feeling empty. But I'm sure a lot of you will not get my analogy and: "that's too bad!"

This coming from an ARR PLD who didn't pve much back in the day cuz the job pretty much felt broken as hell. Nice job with the fix SE! Arigatou! =)

[Windwalker]

Doesn't really matter if the paladin is weak, it got great supporting abilities and defence, not meant to make crazy damage, its the dps job.

[Dauntess]

I hate that this has what its come to for tanking. They are turning into blue DPS and their doing it to get more people to play it. If I wanted to DPS, I'd play one. This shit is getting ridiculous. They need to tone it down a notch and to back to focus on being tanks.