Paladin weakest Tank now

[Zensho]

TLDR: PLD on paper is the weakest tank, but in real world gameplay (or maybe this is just my fantasy) it feels fuggin AMAZING.

This can be said for a lot of sports cars in the real world too, on paper they seem like a joke, but when you drive them on a real road and feel the visceral experience for what they really are and what they were designed for, they roxxorz yer boxxorz! PLD is the Scion FR-S of tanks, which I have owned and driven 10/10ths compared to other high horsepower machines that left me feeling empty. But I'm sure a lot of you will not get my analogy and: "that's too bad!"

This coming from an ARR PLD who didn't pve much back in the day cuz the job pretty much felt broken as hell. Nice job with the fix SE! Arigatou! =)

[Windwalker]

Doesn't really matter if the paladin is weak, it got great supporting abilities and defence, not meant to make crazy damage, its the dps job.

[Dauntess]

I hate that this has what its come to for tanking. They are turning into blue DPS and their doing it to get more people to play it. If I wanted to DPS, I'd play one. This shit is getting ridiculous. They need to tone it down a notch and to back to focus on being tanks.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

I hate that this has what its come to for tanking. They are turning into blue DPS and their doing it to get more people to play it. If I wanted to DPS, I'd play one. This shit is getting ridiculous. They need to tone it down a notch and to back to focus on being tanks.

I mean tanks focusing on DPS has ALWAYS been the case within XIV, if you're oblivious to it, then you really haven't done much in the way of meaningful content as a tank. There are other games out there where you hit enemies as if you were using a foam bat and have like 5 skills and you mash your defensive button before the damage comes in, if that's more to your liking. But, this is how XIV tanking and combat in general works, it's about getting as much damage out as possible to meet DPS checks. There is casual content where the DPS check is non existent within XIV which you can stick to, but don't gatekeep the higher end of the player base just because you don't like the DPS centric meta that has been around for forever.

[Absimiliard]

Blue DPS is the way to go. ...Although at this point I suppose PLD is more of a cyan DPS, given its healing capabilities?

[IcyPrisoner]

I figured the poster boy treatment was gonna be a curse , PLD is 10% behind DRK on dps might as well use him for prog and then toss him in the closet unless we get a decent balance patch.

Only thing Pld needs is slight increase of dmg. Dmg is not as important as tank, Yes i do agree that the extra damage does help to clear faster but so does utility i.e healers can do more dmg without healing (in Raids). Pld will always be the lowest dps tank because it has the brings the alot of utility to the table and it has 8 GCD on Range of course you gonna be the lowest dps tank. what do you think that SE gonna do? I think alot this stems from the last couple xpacs were PLD was Overpowered and people are hurt from the changes. War and PLD got alot QoL and drk got one little change and you complaining about tiny bit of damage, Just blows my mind really

[Abomination713]

Only thing Pld needs is slight increased of dmg. Dmg is not as important as tank, Yes i do agree that the extra damage does help to clear faster but so does utility i.e healers can do more dmg without healing (in Raids). Pld will always be the lowest dps tank because it has the brings the alot of utility to the table and it has 8 GCD on Range of course you gonna be the lowest dps tank. what do you think that SE gonna do? I think alot this stems from the last couple xpacs were PLD was Overpowered about people are hurt from the changes. War and PLD got alot QoL and drk got one little change and you complaining about tiny bit of damage, Just blows my mind really

PLD has never been overpowered and were a joke until 4.0 (when we could finally block magic attacks). I know this cause I've been maining them since 2.0. Remember Flash? Stance Dancing? Tank stance at 40? I remember all of them. You people love to throw that term "utility" around and you don't even understand what that means. Cover is a useless ability outside of very specific instances where you can use it for cheese and that's only with a static, Passage of Arms is only used for very specific area wide attacks from bosses that allow everyone to get together, we are the only tank that can stun lock at will with Shield Bash and the only time that has ever been relevant is during Leviathan, we are the only tank that does not benefit from using our group protect ability (Divine Veil) and the only one that has a weird heal gate on it for literally no reason (which makes no sense since if I'm trying to use the ability it's obviously not for me so why even stop me from using it when I want to?). The one skill that really is great at utility is Clemency and that got nerfed hard this expansion for no reason when they lowered the potency by 200 (yet all healing potency in the game went up for healers) and they took away the 50% increased heals during Requiscat so now if we have to use Clemency for any reason during our Magic phase, we waste a stack and have nothing to show for it.

The 8 ranged GCD is only at level 90. Before that it was 5 and you have to remember that we have to be in range of the enemy to even start our Magic phase. Most of the time we never leave the enemy's side while casting it so can you even call it a ranged attack most of the time? Would be nice if we could cast Requiscat at range.

[IcyPrisoner]

PLD has never been overpowered and were a joke until 4.0 (when we could finally block magic attacks). I know this cause I've been maining them since 2.0. Remember Flash? Stance Dancing? Tank stance at 40? I remember all of them. You people love to throw that term "utility" around and you don't even understand what that means. Cover is a useless ability outside of very specific instances where you can use it for cheese and that's only with a static, Passage of Arms is only used for very specific area wide attacks from bosses that allow everyone to get together, we are the only tank that can stun lock at will with Shield Bash and the only time that has ever been relevant is during Leviathan, we are the only tank that does not benefit from using our group protect ability (Divine Veil) and the only one that has a weird heal gate on it for literally no reason (which makes no sense since if I'm trying to use the ability it's obviously not for me so why even stop me from using it when I want to?). The one skill that really is great at utility is Clemency and that got nerfed hard this expansion for no reason when they lowered the potency by 200 (yet all healing potency in the game went up for healers) and they took away the 50% increased heals during Requiscat so now if we have to use Clemency for any reason during our Magic phase, we waste a stack and have nothing to show for it.

The 8 ranged GCD is only at level 90. Before that it was 5 and you have to remember that we have to be in range of the enemy to even start our Magic phase. Most of the time we never leave the enemy's side while casting it so can you even call it a ranged attack most of the time? Would be nice if we could cast Requiscat at range.

Lol do you know the meaning of "couple" it means two
oh please do inlight me about "utility"
wow 1 skill that is useless, you have Two options to mitigation aoes 3 if you including reprisal one more then every other tank.
Clemency really? do you think any pld in this chat room actually use clemency in raid, 200 potency +buff is not really a lose when you get self sustian on every holy spirit which which doesnt actually cost your dmg so free healing without no penalty, i would happy trade 200 potency for a free 1600 potency of healing if you use all 4 holy spirits
well thats on you then there loads fight that you can use 4 gcds at range For I.e E5S for the thunder bird and its still more then the other tanks

[Abomination713]

Lol do you know the meaning of "couple" it means two
oh please do inlight me about "utility"
wow 1 skill that is useless, you have Two options to mitigation aoes 3 if you including reprisal one more then every other tank.
Clemency really? do you think any pld in this chat room actually use clemency in raid, 200 potency +buff is not really a lose when you get self sustian on every holy spirit which which doesnt actually cost your dmg so free healing without no penalty, i would happy trade 200 potency for a free 1600 potency of healing if you use all 4 holy spirits
well thats on you then there loads fight that you can use 4 gcds at range For I.e E5S for the thunder bird and its still more then the other tanks

What about PLD's that aren't 82 yet? They lost 200 potency and the 50% increased heals as well and don't have Holy Sheltron/Spirit/Circle to rely on when shit goes wrong. It's not all about you. It's pretty funny how PLD having ranged attacks makes them OP, yet we are dead last in the DPS department even with all those extra hits that others tanks can't do. Yep, sure makes sense!

You do also know that Clemency isn't just used for us, right? There have been plenty of times where i had to use it to save a healer when things went wrong in a fight or keep the DPS alive in a dungeon if the healer died. I use Clemency on other more than I do on myself.

[IcyPrisoner]

What about PLD's that aren't 82 yet? They lost the 50% increased heals as well and don't have Holy Sheltron/Spirit/Circle to rely on when shit goes wrong. It's not all about you. It's pretty funny how PLD having ranged attacks makes them OP, yet we are dead last in the DPS department even with all those extra hits that others tanks can't do. Those sure do add up!

Who reviews a job at 82, when most of the content you will be doing will be the full job at 90?? Leveling is different matter when this fourm is about the lvl 90
and did you even read on what i said "Only thing Pld needs is slight increased of dmg". Yes atm Pld is dead last because there no real down time or you have move away from the bosses for more then a gcds or two in the fight. when you get into the new savage thats when it will become more valueable