Endwalker was a great mess(SPOILERS)

[KizuyaKatogami]

I think someone had asked this ealier but I gotta ask this again ... did you actually watch the post Elpis cutsceen? @_@

Since you like screenshot, I went and got some for you just in case.

https://imgur.com/a/Zga9QFB

Between this and your earlier take on Estinien, I start to think you just ignore/delete any part of the story that do not conform to your view.

My earlier take on Estinien was correct as was my Ironworks one which was what you ignore. My point on that was she hadn’t tried to convince them or tell them anything prior to the actual final days occurring, she kept it all a secret. I’ve given proof again, on how they knew what suffering was before the final days, and that they knew there were imperfections. Given that there’s numerous examples of that i’m disinclined to believe a one off line from an understandably frightened ancient is able to be taken as 100% clarity. Unless it’s just inconsistencies in which then we are further proving the point of the writing being hilariously bad this expansion. But i’ve given you countless examples now that completely refute your absurd claims and you still continue to try and preach about things that have countless evidence against. Face it, she herself says she’s wrong. She’s wrong. The writing does a very bad job of portraying her as such later on however and is just another example of the writing this expansion being rushed. I’m not sure what left there is to argue at this point?

[Raven2014]

. Face it, she herself says she’s wrong. She’s wrong.

Prove it? Where exactly does Venat accept she is wrong? She said she accept the responsibility of causing all the suffering that she had caused, but she never said she was wrong. Again, like usual you're warping what is said to fit your own pov. Venat does not seek to be extorted of the suffer she caused, but neither she would have done anything differently because did not believe she was wrong. And the story "vindicated" her at the end by a certain character.

If the whole sundering business could be viewed as a civil war between 2 faction, then Emetch-Setch is the status quo faction and Venat is the one leading for change. In the end, after regain his full memory and free of Zodiak influence, he said this, moar screenshot for oyu!

https://imgur.com/a/EMo3Gol

The 2 dialogues pretty much encapsulate the whole argument. If there is anyone who can hold grievance against Venat, that would be Emet-Selch and he rightfully still does at the end. After all it's hard to forgive Venat for all the crap he had to went through because of her. But at the same time, he admits that his method (maintain the status quo) would not have taken mankind to the new height. Venat's vindication was given by the only character in the game that could have given it.

I think some people are just obsessed with putting a specific label on things. Who's right, who's wrong, who's the heroes, who's the ultimate villain while the story basically is doing it hardest to have none of that. Hell, despite being the death bringer of countless stars, not even the end singer is portrayed as the big bad villain.

Btw, this is not exactly the first time it pulls something like this. Remember Ilberd and the start of liberation of Ala Miho? It's almost an identical theme.