Dark Knight Sustain/QoL needs to be addressed.

[Endolas]

Even the JP forum complains about Dark Knight's current state btw

I'm from EU Light DC and let me tell you over here we DRK get actively bullied just because we're playing DRK.
i've got countless people sending me messages like "Just get off that suicidal emo job and pick something that can survive without a Healer for more than 1 sec."
Plus i have a lot of people sending me countless memes about how bad DRK's self-sustain is.

It's a burden we have to carry if SE doesn't do anything.

[Kalaam]

Whoa, I'm on Chaos (EU too) and never got that during my levelling. This sucks man.

[Xrison]

I'm from EU Light DC and let me tell you over here we DRK get actively bullied just because we're playing DRK.
i've got countless people sending me messages like "Just get off that suicidal emo job and pick something that can survive without a Healer for more than 1 sec."
Plus i have a lot of people sending me countless memes about how bad DRK's self-sustain is.

It's a burden we have to carry if SE doesn't do anything.

I try to keep my DRK job level up with my other tanks in the hopes that SE will fix it, and I can play it again. But everytime I run a dungeon or raid as DRK, I feel like I need to apologize to the healer.

[Valknut]

I try to keep my DRK job level up with my other tanks in the hopes that SE will fix it, and I can play it again. But everytime I run a dungeon or raid as DRK, I feel like I need to apologize to the healer.

I have PLD DRK WHM and AST at 90. I can give you one guess which 1 I regret bringing to 90. I don't think DRK has big issues in trials/raids, but dungeons they are just a joke.

[Undeadfire]

I don't think DRK has big issues in trials/raids, but dungeons they are just a joke.

It really doesn't in Trials/Savage Raids, TBN is a lot more effective in content hitting much harder, and HOC/Holy Sheltron are greatly overestimated on their capability for those kind of content.

[Valknut]

It really doesn't in Trials/Savage Raids, TBN is a lot more effective in content hitting much harder, and HOC/Holy Sheltron are greatly overestimated on their capability for those kind of content.

Eh I really don't think any of the tanks are bad in raid settings what so ever. if 35% mitigation of HSheltron is too low for your healers? They also have oGCD mitigation they can put on you. Really the disparity in tanking is DRK in dungeons vs other tanks in dungeons. Gear will probably fix this eventually. For now though its way out of wack.

[Undeadfire]

if 35% mitigation of HSheltron is too low for your healers? They also have oGCD mitigation they can put on you.

It's not that...

Holy Sheltron is in restrictions that it can't be held forever and has to be used, and at the same time needs to be saved to be useful.

The Regen is nice, but the 15% reduction + Shield Block is far more useful than the Regen in content threatening death, saves O-GCD uses.

HOC can easily be set off by power AOEs, which is what you don't want.

[Lyth]

Living Dead's design isn't so much of a problem, the issue is that Dark Knight itself cannot even hope to remotely sustain it. You press the button, pray your healer can deal with it, and if they cant you die. There is nothing you can do to help them save get off 1 or two soul eaters that won't even contribute 5% of your total HP.

The Living Dead effect should be on Holmgang. For one, a Holmgang is a fight to the death. Second, WAR is the only job that can put out the sort of self-healing required to cleanse it. Third, they have the shortest recast invuln, so that should be what takes the penalty, not the longer recast one that is already at a disadvantage.

[Valknut]

It's not that...

Holy Sheltron is in restrictions that it can't be held forever and has to be used, and at the same time needs to be saved to be useful.

The Regen is nice, but the 15% reduction + Shield Block is far more useful than the Regen in content threatening death, saves O-GCD uses.

HOC can easily be set off by power AOEs, which is what you don't want.

Seems like a non-issue to me, hold or don't hold HSheltron or HoC they aren't going to make or break your tank buster/dmg check. You still have other CD's just like every other tank. I would argue holding TBN is more of a pain in the ass then both as its costing you DPS * not that I care about that pitiful type of optimazation, 1 tank GCD/Ogcd isn't going to change your raid* In reality mitigation is a mole hill issues, next to the mountain of tools a 8 man party has to deal with it.

[Undeadfire]

Seems like a non-issue to me, hold or don't hold HSheltron or HoC they aren't going to make or break your tank buster/dmg check. You still have other CD's just like every other tank. I would argue holding TBN is more of a pain in the ass then both as its costing you DPS * not that I care about that pitiful type of optimazation, 1 tank GCD/Ogcd isn't going to change your raid* In reality mitigation is a mole hill issues, next to the mountain of tools a 8 man party has to deal with it.

Dark Knight is usually saving MP for their timed burst, 60s, or 2 Min bursts, they usually have a free TBN laying about, except refreshing Darkside timers if it's low on time, this is their advantage for a power shield to keep raid mates alive, or allowing a DPS to survive a mechanic than burning Swiftcast rez.