Dark Knight Sustain/QoL needs to be addressed.

[Valknut]

It really doesn't in Trials/Savage Raids, TBN is a lot more effective in content hitting much harder, and HOC/Holy Sheltron are greatly overestimated on their capability for those kind of content.

Eh I really don't think any of the tanks are bad in raid settings what so ever. if 35% mitigation of HSheltron is too low for your healers? They also have oGCD mitigation they can put on you. Really the disparity in tanking is DRK in dungeons vs other tanks in dungeons. Gear will probably fix this eventually. For now though its way out of wack.

[Undeadfire]

if 35% mitigation of HSheltron is too low for your healers? They also have oGCD mitigation they can put on you.

It's not that...

Holy Sheltron is in restrictions that it can't be held forever and has to be used, and at the same time needs to be saved to be useful.

The Regen is nice, but the 15% reduction + Shield Block is far more useful than the Regen in content threatening death, saves O-GCD uses.

HOC can easily be set off by power AOEs, which is what you don't want.

[Valknut]

It's not that...

Holy Sheltron is in restrictions that it can't be held forever and has to be used, and at the same time needs to be saved to be useful.

The Regen is nice, but the 15% reduction + Shield Block is far more useful than the Regen in content threatening death, saves O-GCD uses.

HOC can easily be set off by power AOEs, which is what you don't want.

Seems like a non-issue to me, hold or don't hold HSheltron or HoC they aren't going to make or break your tank buster/dmg check. You still have other CD's just like every other tank. I would argue holding TBN is more of a pain in the ass then both as its costing you DPS * not that I care about that pitiful type of optimazation, 1 tank GCD/Ogcd isn't going to change your raid* In reality mitigation is a mole hill issues, next to the mountain of tools a 8 man party has to deal with it.

[Undeadfire]

Seems like a non-issue to me, hold or don't hold HSheltron or HoC they aren't going to make or break your tank buster/dmg check. You still have other CD's just like every other tank. I would argue holding TBN is more of a pain in the ass then both as its costing you DPS * not that I care about that pitiful type of optimazation, 1 tank GCD/Ogcd isn't going to change your raid* In reality mitigation is a mole hill issues, next to the mountain of tools a 8 man party has to deal with it.

Dark Knight is usually saving MP for their timed burst, 60s, or 2 Min bursts, they usually have a free TBN laying about, except refreshing Darkside timers if it's low on time, this is their advantage for a power shield to keep raid mates alive, or allowing a DPS to survive a mechanic than burning Swiftcast rez.

[Valknut]

Dark Knight is usually saving MP for their timed burst, 60s, or 2 Min bursts, they usually have a free TBN laying about, except refreshing Darkside timers if it's low on time, this is their advantage for a power shield to keep raid mates alive, or allowing a DPS to survive a mechanic than burning Swiftcast rez.

Is that still true though, NIN is no longer revolving the fight around their CD's as NIN is in a bad spot. So with 120 sec buff rotations you'd have a lot of room to push DPS and blow mana if you felt like it. Either or mitigation in 8 man parties is a none issue, healers all have 20% or more, and tanks have invulns/OTs cd's as well for non shared busters. If any of these were big issues guides for extremes and savage wouldn't be telling me " Press X button at X time, continue to drool on your keyboard"

None of this is about can every tank do all content, of course they all can. But when I go to hit my DF and think " Should I bring PLD or DRK, I feel like playing DRK.... but should I? That's the problem, because you know you can carry a group easily on the other 3 tanks, or solo 1/3rd of a bosses hp without worry, on DRK thats not so much true.

At the end of the day they said they would never make content harder then TEA, and that seems pretty true to everything I have experienced. So if were all just playing weaker and weaker content we really don't have anything other then QoL on tanks to complain about.