Tank healing is to high

[ssunny2008]

You are all but admitting DRK is weak, to the point where you are pointing out the job shouldn't even be played right now looking at the efficiency. So I don't get your hostility to the point being made. And like I said, it's not all about self-sustain even. Good self mitigation is a given now, what sets the tanks apart is their ability to sustain the party and take off pressure from healers.

Asking for more of it for DRK is entirely reasonable with the current design choices - there's no sign they'll change their mind about healers any time soon, but balancing the tanks is at least somewhat likely. Just because you disagree with their direction with tanks and healing (not too jazzed myself) doesn't mean they shouldn't be balanced within their current objectives.

Hmmm what? I don´t know where i´ve pointed out that you shouldn´t play the job, but ok. Since DRK has even more DPS than the other tanks, it´s more efficient isn´t it,? (Especially in big pulls with all the aoe?!)

Healers aren´t under pressure, the most barely use even all of their oGCD´s and probably never use casts, unless you´re AST and want to procc horoscope. They want something to do, just check out the heal-forums.

There is no need to balance subclasses in itself, when they work pretty even. As i´ve said, WAR is the only one with 1 superior tool against the other 3. It needs definately a nerf and overall all tanks need a nerf. As others said here and in other threads, it´s not up to the tanks kit, it´s up to the player. A bunch of ppl are godlike tanks while others suck with a broken kit, no matter which tank they´re playing and that´s acutally my experience too. But classes shouldn´t be balanced about the worst players available. Just because ppl don´t know how to play or just don´t want to put efford in their job, doesn´t mean that a class is useless or needs to be buffed. Again, all tanks are broken, WAR has a superior skill, all of them need a nerf and / or the content really hard hits and less telegraphs.

They might tone down some of these numbers depending on how the raid tier is tuned, but like it or not, this is likely a deliberate change to make tanks more accessible for newer players. If you're looking for carry potential in harder content that you won't be able to solo, paradoxically you may have to look elsewhere.

We already had more than enough dumbdowns with SHB to make "tank more accessible for newer players". Tanks have been non-stop broken and it has become worse. If you know a bit what you´re doing, you´ll carry the whole raid, even if you eat 3 aoe at once. Accessibility shouldn´t mean "3 buttons with godmode".

One of the reasons why a lot of players lost their interest in tanking are all the dumbdowns and nothing to care about even in savage raids. The tankmounts aren´t any help to get more players into tanking too, since they´re getting farmed unsynced. Once such newcomers will get confident with tanking, they probably switch to a DPS class with something to care about too. Imo the only reason to be a tank is to have "fast daily-queues".

[Clarkamite]

Its absolutely wild to me that Tanks having more healing has now turned in to healers yelling about nerfing tanks so they have something to heal.

[sirflimflam]

Tank sustainability is a good thing. The problem is we don't have the damage intake to match it.

Having a strong toolkit that rewards you for using it well is more interesting than standing there doing 1, 2, 3 endlessly while the healers throw you an oGCD occasionally. But if bosses just tickle you, there's no purpose for those self-heals. That's the problem.

That's cool for you, but as a healer what am I supposed to do? Lol. I press 1 and 1 and maybe even 1 if time permits. This game is in a weird state where it's very choreographed and if everyone does their job right, damage isn't doled out, and healers....do dps with their thought provoking rotation. There should be more to being a healer than one off group aoe heal checks and dps. Damage should not only be aoe checks and if someone messes up. There should be a reason why a healer is in the party for more than one part of a mechanic.

Its absolutely wild to me that Tanks having more healing has now turned in to healers yelling about nerfing tanks so they have something to heal.

Tanks tanking our jobs.

[Endariel]

I mean honestly, why the heck not.
Tanks don't need heals > healers kit become obsolete (90% of their buttons) > almost every healer will be dpsing now > se will realize pressing 1 button is not ok

Right?

[Aluja89]

I mean honestly, why the heck not.
Tanks don't need heals > healers kit become obsolete (90% of their buttons) > almost every healer will be dpsing now > se will realize pressing 1 button is not ok

Right?

You'd think anyone would come to that conclusion right? But the devs would have to actually play it for a day. But hey they apparently play their own game, I mean they must be right if they can put out statements like these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1QVttphXek

[Semirhage]

Perhaps having a bunch of self-sustain is fun. But I have to squint a bit at the idea that one of the three roles has members that have/can
- a flying boatload of defense
- a crapload of HP
- can sustain themselves indefinitely in most content
- can heal other party members
- and nearly as much damage as a DPS

Sooooooo...you're a one man army then? What exactly are you supposed to need the other two roles for then? If you want to abandon the idea of the trinity go for it; I think this game has thrown enough of it out the window that deleting/repurposing the healer role makes more sense than fixing it after all. But "yeah tanks *should* be able to stay alive forever while also dishing out a ton of damage and healing themselves to full with a snap of their fingers and casually ignoring mechanics that instantly kill everyone else" is...certainly a take.

[Mies]

Tank healing is fine.

Many complaining are also the type of healers to not DPS because they're a healer.

You'd have something to do if you did anything else except spam GCD heals.

[sirflimflam]

Tank healing is fine.

Many complaining are also the type of healers to not DPS because they're a healer.

You'd have something to do if you did anything else except spam GCD heals.

You almost got me with this. I had a long response written up but realized how on the nose you're being right now.

[Ashua]

Tank healing is fine.

Many complaining are also the type of healers to not DPS because they're a healer.

You'd have something to do if you did anything else except spam GCD heals.

What? This makes absolutely no sense. Have you not even looked at what's going on with healing and tanks right now?

[Ashua]

These threads are toxic and I wish SE still perma banned people for this.

Wanting my class to be relevant is the least thing toxic. No. I was able to post mutt opinion on job balance in storm blood just fine without any concern of being banned. Rules most likely were broken in those instance