Please remake 1.0 in New Game+

[SilverObi]

I feel like it's worth pointing out that in 1.x, unless I am wildly misremembering things, the Echo literally let you travel through time into the past on two occasions. Not just perceive the past, but literally interact with things, and physically bring objects back to the present. While not explicitly retconned, it's sure been swept under the rug and ignored, and time-travel since then has been treated as a much more complicated prospect.

That flavor even made it into ARR actually! If you remember the scene where we handed Cid his goggles which confused many a lore forum poster at the time and is still brought up from time to time. The Echo has never been us actually going into the physical past but we were definitely interacting with people's memories in funky ways.

[Rannie]

That flavor even made it into ARR actually! If you remember the scene where we handed Cid his goggles which confused many a lore forum poster at the time and is still brought up from time to time. The Echo has never been us actually going into the physical past but we were definitely interacting with people's memories in funky ways.

Eh it was confirmed by ferne that during 1.0 we did go to the past but we weren't doing a butterfly effect. It's how in the 30 alchemist quest we brought the elixir that we had made in the echo by someone to the kid that kept passing out and then the flower we got from the Gobbue in the Flowers for All intro for 1.0 Ul'dah..

[SilverObi]

Eh it was confirmed by ferne that during 1.0 we did go to the past but we weren't doing a butterfly effect. It's how in the 30 alchemist quest we brought the elixir that we had made in the echo by someone to the kid that kept passing out and then the flower we got from the Gobbue in the Flowers for All intro for 1.0 Ul'dah..

I got the opposite from that explanation, could you find me the link so I could read it myself again (been years) and if I'm wrong so be it. Wasn't the flower just a game mechanic thing?

[Rannie]

I got the opposite from that explanation, could you find me the link so I could read it myself again (been years) and if I'm wrong so be it. Wasn't the flower just a game mechanic thing?

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...l=1#post986876

anonymoose should have the full info and quote from ferne I'll look more for his exact post though it's someone un the 1.0 archive. I'll try to find it in between the new raid thingy and before I go to bed but it's going to be a long look lol

[SilverObi]

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...l=1#post986876

anonymoose should have the full info and quote from ferne I'll look more for his exact post though it's someone un the 1.0 archive. I'll try to find it in between the new raid thingy and before I go to bed but it's going to be a long look lol

Thanks for that, god it has been a long time lol

Reading it again and I'm still not seeing confirmation that it is in fact time travel as in the actual act of physically teleporting backwards in time. I see the contention over the flintlock and the question of bringing items INTO echo memories and that's definitely a sticking point and seems to have not yet been answered.

Those two entries put under conflicting information ("...experience the past, interact with it, but ultimately not change the outcome of anything important..." versus "You will be there in their memories, seeing things as they saw them. You may even interact with that which lies therein. However, the past is like a stone tablet. You cannot uncarve what is already written.") are saying the same thing unless you hang on Koji not using the word memory in his explanation.

But putting that aside, and getting back to the original comment that spurred this discussion, they wouldn't have to portray the Echo as they did in 1.0 (where it was presented in a jumbled interpretive narrative mess at the time) and just have it work cleanly like it does now. After all, how many of those sidequests are important to the throughline of Dalamud and the Calamity which is what I would expect a remaking of that time period to be.

Loving this discussion by the way, it's a nice change from the usual fare here

[Packetdancer]

Eh it was confirmed by ferne that during 1.0 we did go to the past but we weren't doing a butterfly effect. It's how in the 30 alchemist quest we brought the elixir that we had made in the echo by someone to the kid that kept passing out and then the flower we got from the Gobbue in the Flowers for All intro for 1.0 Ul'dah..

Yeah, the (as I have called it before) "Very Unfortunate Goobbue Incident" in Ul'dah took place 10 years prior to 1.x starting, date-wise, but also functioned as the Ul'dah opening storyline; if I remember right, you looked up, saw a meteor shower, heard Hydaelyn speak and immediately went FLOOP back 10 years in time and didn't even initially realize you had jumped back in time, just sort of went "Oh hey, there's a parade going on?"

(I did start in Ul'dah in 1.x, but it's been, y'know, a decade, so I may be misremembering some of the details.)

While I don't think they've outright retconned (or contradicted) any of the weird stuff the Echo allowed in 1.x, they sure also haven't gone back to touch on it; they've kept the Echo to a much more narrowly-defined powerset in A Realm Reborn and onwards. And I do think if you had the 1.x storyline accessible in the current game somehow (impractical as I believe that to be), you'd have a lot of questions about the Echo arise. Especially for anyone whose 1.x re-enactment began in Ul'dah.

That flavor even made it into ARR actually! If you remember the scene where we handed Cid his goggles which confused many a lore forum poster at the time and is still brought up from time to time.

You know, it's been so long since I played through that piece of story I had completely forgotten about that. But you're right, there is at least one instance of us doing this same sort of Echo-powered shenanigan even post-ARR.