FFXIV Girls only discord server

[crimsonwitch]

gender discussion is too gigabrain for me,
because it feels like the woke twitter crowd will always have something to say back.
i'd say to report the thread and move on .__.

[Clover_Blake]

Person: "Hey everyone, here's a girls club!"
(30 pages later, people scuffling on the ground accusations and insults flying left and right, literal science research documents and books being dropped about what is and isnt a woman or a gender, people coming out of the woodwork to say AATTSHUALLYY WOMEN ARE THE WORST)
Other person: "Hey everyone, here's a boys club!"
(Crickets....until I point out the selective outrage and how it's always womens spaces that get all this drama and not mens. Boys club thread immediately goes up in flames too, but for painfully transparent "just to have both bases covered so my bullying of the girls club looks more justified and morally right" reasons)

Let me share the way I perceived the story, which greatly differs from yours.

A girls only discord was advertised as a "safe space" free of "harrassment". This naturally means that males are bad and problematic, and females are all good (-laughs at personal experiences-). The mere concept is an insult to males.

The thread about the bros server was a joke, a parody (and a funny one, I must add). Did you want some serious discussion there?

It's quite simple to see why people might have been annoyed, really.

[Faafetai]

The thing is, their verification process is inherently sexist and rooted in the very thing they’re stated to be against. Even dismissing trans issues, this is the equivalent of a bar on women-only nights turning away women because their shoulders are too broad, or their voice is too deep.

Also, even disregarding their Voice verification thing, there’s bigger issues than that at play. Grooming of minors, overworking volunteers, not paying streamers their due share, the list goes on and on. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: there is NOTHING WRONG with wanting to create a safe, inclusive environment for women to feel comfortable in. The wrongness comes from the actions this particular server has taken and continues to take, and the list keeps adding up.

I finally read the entire thread. Its ups, its downs, watching the train as it goes, as it always goes. Before this thread gets deleted or locked I wish to ask you a few questions about this place because I know I will not get an answer from the op. They dropped this thread like it was hot potato and bailed, and I see why >.<

If you are still checking in on this thread I wish for suspicions to be satiated. So not so much questions, but affirmations.

They really do care what your voice sounds like on the discord, and probably want pictures to prove your gender, maybe even an id card?
I would never considering joining a group like that but was curious because you seem to have...see some things. That whole place seems like bad news bears to me.

If you guys are serious about the girl group without creepy prying what happens if you do not have a playlist but just collections of albums you have gravitated towards for a time? Currently listening to The Avett Brothers, Tons of electroswing mixes, lofi hip hop mixes, Sonata Arctica, Hiroyuki Sawano, Mumford and sons, a collection of game soundtracks (Omori, anything supergiantgames tends to be really good, Closure), Quiet alot of Jazz. Oh my gosh Noir crime drama type jazz where you picture a smokey filled room with a singer in a red dress like something out of the 40s. Pretty much anything I can get my hands on really, but those are the favorites for the last few months.

[Axxion]

Alright that's it, I'm with Jybril on this one-MODDDDDDDDDS??????
This is just beyond absurd-I can't even..how does it manage to get worse

Person: "Hey everyone, here's a girls club!"
(30 pages later, people scuffling on the ground accusations and insults flying left and right, literal science research documents and books being dropped about what is and isnt a woman or a gender, people coming out of the woodwork to say AATTSHUALLYY WOMEN ARE THE WORST)
Other person: "Hey everyone, here's a boys club!"
(Crickets....until I point out the selective outrage and how it's always womens spaces that get all this drama and not mens. Boys club thread immediately goes up in flames too, but for painfully transparent "just to have both bases covered so my bullying of the girls club looks more justified and morally right" reasons)

Sorry boys club thread if any of you read this. Such devastation was truly not my intention. For any of you that ran over there to harass them, the point went clear over your heads and still stands. I'd tell you what it is, but that wouldnt make you think or reflect on your behavior or thought processes. You weren't right to do it here and you're not right to do it there. but since you can't leave people alone, both threads should just be locked tbh. It's hopeless. Best of luck to both servers though!

honey, this is how these forums go. Its like a roller coaster

[Skiros]

Isn't it funny how 90% of the malding is from male Viera

[KohanaAbarai]

It truly is amazing how many of you have placed so much hatred toward this group. It's interesting that SOOO many of you would bash FFXIV Girls Only because it's the latest and greatest "Red button" for cancel culture to chime in on.

a Women's safe space was created in effort to support nourish and protect those who do not handle confrontation very well. Those who don't have a voice in a crowded room of entitled humans. This space and it's leaders are there combatting all the trolls and the people who are so against filtered clubs. Did any of you stop to realize it's optional to join?

There are rumors on here that are appalling and untrue and yes they had a bumpy road with their rules. So let me clear the air.
1. No minors were harassed by any member of the staff of this discord. Those who believe that information is true clearly are "fake news"
2. No we do not hate trans or non binary. We welcome both as long as there is a feminine center
3. We are an Ally of LGBTQ+ but we clearly define our discord as Girls only not because we purposefully want to "exclude" and "hurt" sometimes we really don't know and the best conversations to have are emotionally intelligent ones.
4. Our security has improved. We aren't telling you what we changed on a public form, all we know is that it is working and we are able to stop harmful people from joining now, ie; Abusers, Trolls, Harassment, Hate parades and racists.
5. There is no "verification" system that you all are referring too, we are not checking "voices". We are confirming that the user can handle more sensitive topics and that they are in fact capable of handling certain words and phrases. This process is called "orientation" please correct your notes.

Perhaps instead of constantly bashing a group who is simply trying to recruit and enjoy what they have now, you could move on. Find something that fits you instead of harboring hate, and cancelling people immediately.

Feel free to bash me shame me all you want to be honest, reading this post and all the hatred, reminds me how poor we are as kind loving humans to one another.

Opinions are not facts. Stop living in a world where everything is supposed to 100% perfect because its not.
Also stop with these horrible rumors. All you've done is shown how petty, heartless and damaging you all can be. #cancelcancelculture.

For those of you interested in a safe place for Girls and those of feminine core please join this discord for the fun, not the politics. You are definitely missing out by not experiencing it for yourself.

-Namaste.

[NegativeS]

Me re-reading this thread after seeing it reached 33 pages:

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Let me share the way I perceived the story, which greatly differs from yours.

A girls only discord was advertised as a "safe space" free of "harrassment". This naturally means that males are bad and problematic, and females are all good (-laughs at personal experiences-). The mere concept is an insult to males.

The thread about the bros server was a joke, a parody (and a funny one, I must add). Did you want some serious discussion there?

It's quite simple to see why people might have been annoyed, really.

That does not 'naturally' imply that all males are bad and problematic and females all good, what it is clearly there for is to avoid males who can be bad and problematic Not all of them, just those nasty few who can make your life unpleasant. Women know all to well how nasty and venomous other women can be. But when you specifically join a community meant to be a sanctuary you are going in with support for yourself and others in mind. You can play some games with other girls, chat away and not be concerned with a dude coming on to you, stalking you etc. There are many times where I had to leave a community due to a guy stalking me that I either had to choose deal with his stalking or leave the community because they WOULD NOT remove them despite my mentioning the issue. Things such as this is why women's spaces exist, but we all know online there will always be creepers who pretend to be women to get at us.. mods must be responsive to concerns of their members.

Sorry, if you take it as an insult then maybe you are one such male who cannot be decent to women? Because if you are just a normal dude who minds his own business I hardly see what the problem is.

The bro's only thread is just another example of men belittling women in whatever ways they can, they can enjoy their joke all while mocking the women who go to such places because men have done them actual harm. As ever lack of understanding and wilful ignorance from such men is unsurprising but disappointing.
Men's spaces are everywhere, hell if they really want a bro's discord I am all for it. But the thread is there to mock in response to this one and it is sad.

[Blossoming]

Let’s not forget the part most seem to be ignoring this far into the thread, the discord owners/mods/whatever are using some of the girls for their own advantage and the more you look into it you see some concern long trends with some questionable motives such as grooming or predatory behaviors. Just take a look at the thread about the streaming situation on the first page. I’m all about female empowerment but this is just disguised as that and nothing more. I almost joined when I saw in PF but I’m glad I didn’t

[HollowedDoll]

Aforementioned problematic stuff aside, why in the world would someone who is nonbinary or whatever is trending on twitter want to be in a discord specifically labelled for women? Like I can see how this implementation has issues for example why do men even get to be in as "supporters", but damn if some people aren't acting entitled over this.