FFXIV Girls only discord server

[KohanaAbarai]

Then can you please explain the two tweet threads that were posted 2 posts after the OP of this thread?

Because those two situations are the problematic things that stood out to a good number of people. As such, we've only seen one side of both of those situations, but the examples given have detailed screenshots, conversations and examples showing what occurred, and paints a very unflattering appearance of this discord server.

Those posts are a huge misrepresentation of what we stand for. They are taken entirely out of context as well. Instead of anyone even trying to educate us, what happened was they got pissed off, left and made a whole new story up to shame us for no reason. Again these lies are fabricated. Similar to how the media spews opinions and changes context. Believe what you want we won't budge! The fact is we are being crucified by cancel culture because they refuse to talk things out and educate.. they just want to END things that don't make them happy. All this trouble is unnecessary and a giant waste of everyone's time.. All I ask is for those who don't want to be in this group to go find something else already because all this information still circling is invalid.

[ArkenaeuxBelmont]

Those posts are a huge misrepresentation of what we stand for. They are taken entirely out of context as well. Instead of anyone even trying to educate us, what happened was they got pissed off, left and made a whole new story up to shame us for no reason. Again these lies are fabricated. Similar to how the media spews opinions and changes context. Believe what you want we won't budge! The fact is we are being crucified by cancel culture because they refuse to talk things out and educate.. they just want to END things that don't make them happy. All this trouble is unnecessary and a giant waste of everyone's time.. All I ask is for those who don't want to be in this group to go find something else already because all this information still circling is invalid.

No one is asking you to "budge". Also any entity is open to public critique and criticism.

How are the examples given a misrepresentation of what you stand for? Can you provide examples to disprove the claims that were brought against the server? Of course, you don't have to defend yourself or rebut the accusations at all. However, if you choose to ignore, then criticism is a consequence of that stand point. You cannot willfully then cry victim if you do not provide a defense, and you have a right to defend yourselves.

I'm not being confrontational, only merely observing and commenting on what I see. I see two very well documented examples that paint this discord in a very bad light. A good number of others are also of that viewpoint.

As a personal issue, it has nothing to do with me. I'm not angry, outraged, spewing "filth" or attacking in anyway. Merely commenting on what I have observed. My opinions and stances are always that, opinions based on empirical evidence I can see. The fact stands that I can see clear information showing how that discord is being morally questionable, and the only defense you've offered is that "they are lying."

'He Said She Said' doesn't work when there is tangible evidence.

[Blossoming]

You can stop trying to make half hearted attempts at insulting me with names and other assumptions and give some context, but something tells me you won’t.

[SherlottaEryut]

Then can you please explain the two tweet threads that were posted 2 posts after the OP of this thread?

Those posts are a huge misrepresentation of what we stand for. They are taken entirely out of context as well. Instead of anyone even trying to educate us, what happened was they got pissed off, left and made a whole new story up to shame us for no reason. Again these lies are fabricated. Similar to how the media spews opinions and changes context. Believe what you want we won't budge! The fact is we are being crucified by cancel culture because they refuse to talk things out and educate.. they just want to END things that don't make them happy. All this trouble is unnecessary and a giant waste of everyone's time.. All I ask is for those who don't want to be in this group to go find something else already because all this information still circling is invalid.

Can you just answer ArkenaeuxBelmont's question instead of waffling on. You're being vague in your answers and this is why people don't believe you.

[strawberrycake]

Those posts are a huge misrepresentation of what we stand for. They are taken entirely out of context as well. Instead of anyone even trying to educate us, what happened was they got pissed off, left and made a whole new story up to shame us for no reason. Again these lies are fabricated. Similar to how the media spews opinions and changes context. Believe what you want we won't budge! The fact is we are being crucified by cancel culture because they refuse to talk things out and educate.. they just want to END things that don't make them happy. All this trouble is unnecessary and a giant waste of everyone's time.. All I ask is for those who don't want to be in this group to go find something else already because all this information still circling is invalid.

Ngl, the first things Abusers do is make it seem like people are spreading misinformation to discredit the victim, then they have multiple people go out their way to defend the abusers so they look like victims. Then they actively get mad when asked if you can show proof that the abusers are in fact victims, and to prove they they were being shamed. Most people who have power Trips on top of that also will do whatever it takes to avoid losing said power. Including lie, and spread misinformation to counter the proof.

So if all of you are innocent. Just post the pics showing full context, the DMs are there for ever, and it can show that you guys are innocent and the person who posted the other screens are lying. Or you can not show us and deal witht he fact that people will tell others for their own protection to stay away so minors arent groomed and innocent girls aren't abused. Females are abused at an alarming rate in the XIV community. Can you really blame people for wanting to keep their friends, GFs, sisters,etc safe from this kinda thing? ANd you said you manage the server. YOU have direct access to proof that you're all innocent, why not post it then?

[strawberrycake]

Those posts are a huge misrepresentation of what we stand for. They are taken entirely out of context as well. Instead of anyone even trying to educate us, what happened was they got pissed off, left and made a whole new story up to shame us for no reason. Again these lies are fabricated. Similar to how the media spews opinions and changes context. Believe what you want we won't budge! The fact is we are being crucified by cancel culture because they refuse to talk things out and educate.. they just want to END things that don't make them happy. All this trouble is unnecessary and a giant waste of everyone's time.. All I ask is for those who don't want to be in this group to go find something else already because all this information still circling is invalid.

Like I'm a girl, can you 100% assure me that I'd be safe joining this server? I've been abused, can you make me believe that I can trust the people in this server to not hurt me and harm me and use me like I'm some toy? I'm asking an honest question.

[Stanelis]

Like I'm a girl, can you 100% assure me that I'd be safe joining this server? I've been abused, can you make me believe that I can trust the people in this server to not hurt me and harm me and use me like I'm some toy? I'm asking an honest question.

I'm pretty sure the answer is "no", just like in any other place on the internet or even in real life.

[strawberrycake]

I'm pretty sure the answer is "no", just like in any other place on the internet or even in real life.

I'm very aware of that, but my point is that, this situation has made people uneasy about this server. And this person can get and show proof, and is choosing not to. So how can you help people avoid their fears of this server and possibly being abused?

[Kolsykol]

Like I'm a girl, can you 100% assure me that I'd be safe joining this server? I've been abused, can you make me believe that I can trust the people in this server to not hurt me and harm me and use me like I'm some toy? I'm asking an honest question.

This can never be guaranteed anywhere.
Not gonna name names because tbh I don't memorize all of it and I cba to look it up atm.
But there's some really big '' activist '' woman in the games industry who runs rampant on Twitter and is on the board of some big game dev organisation.
She has a really really long history of being a real piece of shit garbage person but she gets a pass because she has '' the correct politics '' and is extremely vocal about it to an obnoxious level.

A while ago a whole bunch of women came out and talked about how she had been abusing them behind the scenes and been extremely creepy.
The most infuriating thing is that people argued she deserved a second chance and all that even tho it was very recent and her apology was incredibly half-arsed and the victims didn't buy it at all.

It's true that women in the games industry do get abused and harassed and such more often than men, but it's not true that it's not a big problem for men too and it's also definitely not true that it's just men abusing women.
HR in particular has a big overrepresentation of women and HR is very often the enablers at large studios who gaslight and/ or intimidate victims into silence.

Moral of the story is that women are not a bunch of innocent little flowers who would never hurt a fly, women are just as capable of being pieces of shit as men are.
The reason why men are usually more often bad towards women is because of the physical advantage it's dangerous to a womans physical well-being more directly if she does something bad to a man while it generally isn't for a man to do to a woman.
As soon as you start evening out these things and you get more women in power and more women dominated spaces that barrier is removed and the ugly sides come out.




All of that said I do understand women who want a woman only space because of that too, I am big into fighting games for example and I am all for womens only tournaments because a lot of women feel really uncomfortable or even unsafe to attend tournaments.
There's definitely a lot of creepy guys and people fetishizing them.
You can't get rid of that by having a woman only space but you can minimize at least certain aspects of it ( in particular the sexual ones, but then you also get women like in my above example ).

[strawberrycake]

This can never be guaranteed anywhere.
Not gonna name names because tbh I don't memorize all of it and I cba to look it up atm.
But there's some really big '' activist '' woman in the games industry who runs rampant on Twitter and is on the board of some big game dev organisation.
She has a really really long history of being a real piece of shit garbage person but she gets a pass because she has '' the correct politics '' and is extremely vocal about it to an obnoxious level.

A while ago a whole bunch of women came out and talked about how she had been abusing them behind the scenes and been extremely creepy.
The most infuriating thing is that people argued she deserved a second chance and all that even tho it was very recent and her apology was incredibly half-arsed and the victims didn't buy it at all.

It's true that women in the games industry do get abused and harassed and such more often than men, but it's not true that it's not a big problem for men too and it's also definitely not true that it's just men abusing women.
HR in particular has a big overrepresentation of women and HR is very often the enablers at large studios who gaslight and/ or intimidate victims into silence.

Moral of the story is that women are not a bunch of innocent little flowers who would never hurt a fly, women are just as capable of being pieces of shit as men are.
The reason why men are usually more often bad towards women is because of the physical advantage it's dangerous to a womans physical well-being more directly if she does something bad to a man while it generally isn't for a man to do to a woman.
As soon as you start evening out these things and you get more women in power and more women dominated spaces that barrier is removed and the ugly sides come out.




All of that said I do understand women who want a woman only space because of that too, I am big into fighting games for example and I am all for womens only tournaments because a lot of women feel really uncomfortable or even unsafe to attend tournaments.
There's definitely a lot of creepy guys and people fetishizing them.
You can't get rid of that by having a woman only space but you can minimize at least certain aspects of it ( in particular the sexual ones, but then you also get women like in my above example ).

No thats all very true, and I know exactly who you're talking about, but my main point to that person who can Audit the server. is :

I'm very aware of that, but my point is that, this situation has made people uneasy about this server. And this person can get and show proof, and is choosing not to. So how can you help people avoid their fears of this server and possibly being abused?

And I kinda find it sus that they're refusing to simply post proof that they're being lied on. Which to me, shows they're kinda full of it, but thats my personal opinion.