New summoner is unacceptable

[rewd]

Well, the phys ranged tax is real LOL. Also notice how the skill floor-ceiling gap is the smallest on SMN.

But I was told SMN had room for crazy optimization...

So we got a boring, unrewarding AND weak job. Nice.

[Vahlnir]

But I was told SMN had room for crazy optimization...

So we got a boring, unrewarding AND weak job. Nice.

There will likely be some potency adjustments after the new raid releases, as there always is. If SMN is in a bit of a bad place now damage wise, hopefully it won't stay there.

[Skiros]

But I was told SMN had room for crazy optimization...

So we got a boring, unrewarding AND weak job. Nice.

The vast majority of people who think that SMN had room for crazy optimization likely weren't even passable players to begin with.

The current optimization paradigm for summoner mostly comes from SpS tiering, and that is not what most of the people who argued that SMN will be complex mentioned. Choosing which primal to summon in order to move and hardcast successfully is barely an optimization - that is something you should pick up after literally two or three pulls.

[IdowhatIwant]

The vast majority of people who think that SMN had room for crazy optimization likely weren't even passable players to begin with.

The current optimization paradigm for summoner mostly comes from SpS tiering, and that is not what most of the people who argued that SMN will be complex mentioned. Choosing which primal to summon in order to move and hardcast successfully is barely an optimization - that is something you should pick up after literally two or three pulls.

What job really has optimization any more? That died last expansion

[Sequora]

But I was told SMN had room for crazy optimization...

So we got a boring, unrewarding AND weak job. Nice.

I'm not sure if this was intended, but summoner seems to be being treated as a ranged DPS. I'm so on the fence about this job, but this graphic saddens me. We really are the new red mage in this expansion. Red mage I remember being very simple and straightforward, and two expansions later the job is in a really good place. They've built upon the simple base they created. It just saddens me that it's 6.0 we're just getting this base. 7.0 is at least 2 years away.

I know very little about reaper, but this means that they obviously need nerfs right? Reaper has one of the smallest skill gap-floors out of all the jobs and is at the very top of the scale? I'm not sure where they are on the utility-scale, but just looking at their tool tips, they have a raid damage buff.

Thoughts?