New summoner is unacceptable

[Shironeko_Narunyan]

a lot of people just hate the class design

And a lot of people love it. Looking at the numbers, I'd say the lovers win by a huge margin. Never seen so many summoners around, and not only levelling.

[zcrash970]

And a lot of people love it. Looking at the numbers, I'd say the lovers win by a huge margin. Never seen so many summoners around, and not only levelling.

Depends on what circles you are in. I see more people hating on it or just generally disappointed from it

[aveyond-dreams]

Depends on what circles you are in. I see more people hating on it or just generally disappointed from it

Yeah we're aware that like 10 people on the forums that constantly bump each other's posts really really hate that their poison mage got taken away, along with all of its wonderful complexity. Meanwhile in game it's a different story. In the times that I've been able to log in and run roulettes Summoner is right up there with Reaper and Sage in terms of its popularity, even in low level content where surprisingly, Summoner is not the only job that feels incomplete at that point.

Levelling with it has been a blast so far, and I'm doing it on multiple characters on top of that. Even some of the haters I see didn't hate new Summoner enough to abandon their former main completely. I had to do a double take when I saw some of them in Limsa, it was truly a sight to behold. What the job needs moving forward are the summons that it's been missing since Heavensward when they should have added the remaining primals instead of doubling down on Bahamut Trance. As ogcds. As jewel or demi summons. It doesn't matter. Just get it done.

In Shadowbringers my experience with Summoner was a disastrous levelling experience when it was my first 80 that caused me to abandon it not long afterwards and now that Summoner will be my first 90 (assuming I get to actually log in and finish the story) I cannot imagine having any other class as my main. I can't wait to tackle endgame content with it and come 6.1, boost the alts that are too far behind for me to level the job all the way from scratch so I can max them out as well.

[Asari5]

not a smn main and i dont know about lvl 90 smn

but smn seems a bit... shallow at 80. i sorted my bars and hopped into alliance raid. orbonne yesterday, the third nier raid today.... but i really wondered about smn. is that it? i looked at my bars but i used every skill on it, i searched for more skills, but i didnt found any. aside from aetherflow which has nothing to do with any other skills there is nothing else, is there? its just summoning an egi/primal pressing a few times one and the same button before repeating it. is that it or did i overlook something? cant help but wonder what did i overlook?

[Angellos]

If you're only pressing three buttons: You're doing it wrong and you have no idea how to play the class.

[ZedxKayn]

If you're only pressing three buttons: You're doing it wrong and you have no idea how to play the class.

It's nearly as shallow as a healer's dps "rotation" with the mobility of a physrange. Current SMN is absolutely pitiful.

[Cithaerias_pyropina]

If you're only pressing three buttons: You're doing it wrong and you have no idea how to play the class.

1, T, X, F, F1, 1/F4, 5, 1, B, 1, B, 1, 1, 1, E, 2, F, 2, F, 2, F, 2, F, G, F, 2, 2, 2, 2, R, V, 2, 2, F, F, 1, 1, X, 5

That's the entire level 90 rotation translated to my personal keybinds and button presses, give or take several more 1's (aka, Astral Impulse's or Ruin 3 filler spam). I'm sitting there spamming 3 buttons over and over for a huge portion of the rotation, Gemshine (2), Astral Flow (F) and Ruin/Astral Impulse (1). Once you're done with all those cooldowns that are all 60 seconds long and are all used during Bahamut/Phoenix you're back to 3 button spam for 60 seconds until they're back. Looks barely discernable from a WHM, Astro, Sage and SCH dps rotation.

[Lilyth]

If you're only pressing three buttons: You're doing it wrong and you have no idea how to play the class.

There's no such thing as playing smn wrong at this point. Even gathering nodes have more depth.

[Wolwosh]

What I can't get over and makes me laugh is that when i'm running content with a Summoner, I often see the Carbuncle with his ass towards the boss... xD
I used to play Summoner a lot, and when I will level it(like last now...) that would really annoy me

[Truen]

I hate to break it to you, but they ABSOLUTELY DO think this is the way to design jobs now. Come on over to the healer forums...we've been spamming 1-button dps for 2 years now. It really sucks!
If you're angry and want someone to blame--look at Yoshi P. This design philosophy is his brain-child.