Requesting Information on Jobs: Preparing for 1.21

[darkstarpoet1]

Then you can still do that... just don't be any of the jobs.. you will be disappointed.. I tell you that.. Jobs.. NEVER cross-class.. they are lock with the role they are "Lancer/DRG" nothing else etc etc... Jobs are Specialized not Freelancing.

- Want to Cross-class.. stay as the class you are now
- Want Specialized Jobs to make your Job more defined? Get the jobs and Abilities for it.

This is how FF jobs have always been.. if you expect 1.21 to have Cross-classing... then you will be sadly disappointed...

Note:

-Classes( Freelancers) will always be stronger in nature of the Diversity to be able to combined things for every class.
-Jobs( Specialized in the 1 Role they are Given) Don't have the Luxury of Classes of combining abilities together, however, the job they are assigned to gets more classified abilities which makes them stronger in said class.

^ this always is FF games in General this is the FF3 route.. Its either you stay Freelancin' or Do jobs.. both will be in the game... but you make the choice which one you want to do

i'll say this if jobs come out and have zero cross classing at all feel free to come call me out on it. i'll be the first to say that i'm sure there will be cross classing of some sort in them. i don't think it will be extent it is now much less what it was originally, but i seriously doubt there is none.

[Starlord]

i'll say this if jobs come out and have zero cross classing at all feel free to come call me out on it. i'll be the first to say that i'm sure there will be cross classing of some sort in them. i don't think it will be extent it is now much less what it was originally, but i seriously doubt there is none.

They will be able to cross class/job per say with there on class: e.g. Lacner abl will be able to attack with DRG stuff.. but can't cross-class with any other class to DRG.

I'm just explaining the Terms and what they mean since people are having problems digesting the fact that they wont be able to cross-class with jobs :/ lol

[darkstarpoet1]

They will be able to cross class/job per say with there on class: e.g. Lacner abl will be able to attack with DRG stuff.. but can't cross-class with any other class to DRG.

I'm just explaining the Terms and what they mean since people are having problems digesting the fact that they wont be able to cross-class with jobs :/ lol

that's not what has been stated by any dev members. what has been said is it would be further limited. i'll be suprised if, pld for example, cannot take the skills from mrd that makes them a better tank since that is what pld is designed for.

at no point in time have they stated once that a job would not be able to use any skill from any other class at all. what was stated is that cross classing would be limited. limits can be anything from they can't cross any skills to only certain skills that are already cross classed.

edit: i'm not saying you are wrong, but i am saying there's different amounts of limits and they vary greatly. they could be saying that instead of 10 cross class skills you have on the class you only have 5 on a job since the job abilities already take up 5 spots. going from 10 skills to 5 is limiting. i'm not saying that's what it will be, but just using that as an example since it is still limiting cross classing which is what they stated it would be.

[Starlord]

that's not what has been stated by any dev members. what has been said is it would be further limited. i'll be suprised if, pld for example, cannot take the skills from mrd that makes them a better tank since that is what pld is designed for.

at no point in time have they stated once that a job would not be able to use any skill from any other class at all. what was stated is that cross classing would be limited. limits can be anything from they can't cross any skills to only certain skills that are already cross classed.

Quoted for truth? I like to see this... :/

[darkstarpoet1]

Quoted for truth? I like to see this... :/

it was posted many times. they just state that cross classing will be limited from what i have seen on multiple occasions. i'm not saying what you think is the limit is wrong, but when limits are mentioned we have no idea what extent of limits they mean by them. if they have stated they will not allow any cross classing from other classes at all i would like to see it. i've read as much as i can on the jobs and i have yet to see them say no cross classing. there may be none, but i have just said i haven't seen it stated that way.

[Inaaca]

Show me in that video where you see Black Mage granting more damage to spells. Don't count Ancient magic spell with a 15 minute recast. Where is the MP cut to spells, nowhere they still cost the same damn amount.

Looks like the same damn amount. Now this makes me even more nervous. Cause in some situations Cjn can do the same amount of damage as Thaumturge. So if jobs don't help make a different in damage that means white mage can do equal damage to Black Mage, isn't this fantastic?

Example fight Ama'jaal spamming Aerora/Stonra.

Great the healer role, can beat the damager role in some situations, this should never happen with black mage and white mage. I put up with it when it comes to Cjn and Thm, because they aren't specifically healer or DD roles they can be either.

The Convert ability for BLM alone will undoubtedly make a huge impact on their ability to cast more spells. More spells equals more damage, and Convert also goes toward alleviating the MP cost issue. And this is only taking into consideration ONE of the new abilities that BLM is getting.

So yeah, let's wait and see how things work before we call the whole system bunk, heh.

[Starlord]

it was posted many times. they just state that cross classing will be limited from what i have seen on multiple occasions. i'm not saying what you think is the limit is wrong, but when limits are mentioned we have no idea what extent of limits they mean by them. if they have stated they will not allow any cross classing from other classes at all i would like to see it. i've read as much as i can on the jobs and i have yet to see them say no cross classing. there may be none, but i have just said i haven't seen it stated that way.

Will talk about this when 1.21 comes out :P.

[darkstarpoet1]

Will talk about this when 1.21 comes out :P.

agreed, but like i said i am not saying you are wrong. i'm just stating we do not know for certain because we have not been given the information. you are just as likely right as you are wrong. i don't know what goes on inside those doors in their meetings nor what they are coding in and that's my reasoning for saying i do not know.

if i seen any post from them saying it was going to be one way or another i'd gladly admit to it either way.

[Starlord]

agreed, but like i said i am not saying you are wrong. i'm just stating we do not know for certain because we have not been given the information. you are just as likely right as you are wrong. i don't know what goes on inside those doors in their meetings nor what they are coding in and that's my reasoning for saying i do not know.

if i seen any post from them saying it was going to be one way or another i'd gladly admit to it either way.

With every argument, everyone has a potential to be right and wrong. I was just stating how FF has always been, if it has a little twist with "Very limited cross-classing" then that's cool I suppose.. it still makes Jobs Unique without having that " Freelancerish" feel to it. Either way, I will love it.. and if thats the case.. then this may likely happen:

-Classes= Mostly able to Cross-class
-Jobs= Very Limited cross-classing
-Advance jobs= No Cross-Classing

Which I would be fine with that also :P.

[NoctisUmbra]

@ Starlord:

A Job will be unable to cross class skills that belong to other jobs. That much is obvious, being that each job skill is exclusive to said job.

A job is a specialized version of the one class that it stems from. A PLD is a special GLA, a MNK a special PGL, etc. The secondary classes are there to add flavor, an extra requirement to make some sort of sense in the direction in which the primary class is specializing.
So a PLD is not cross classing skills from GLA and CNJ. A PLD is a GLA with access to unique job skills and equipment. Possibly even traits, though that hasn't been disclosed.

It is confirmed that Jobs will be able to cross-class, but that it will be very limited in comparison to classes themselves. Either the number of skills one can cross class will be limited, or the classes from which each job can take skills - or what I believe will be the case which is both.
So PLD will perhaps be able to equip abilities from CNJ and MRD, but nothing else.