Thread: Requesting Information on Jobs: Preparing for 1.21

Originally Posted by Murugan

My guess is he was responding to the first part.

We have 10 cross class abilities, we get 6 job abilities, that leaves us with 4 cross class abilities. I don't see why they would lock them to only the classes that unlock the job, so I assume the simplest explanation is the right one.

I'm just speculating with everyone else (also, it's 5 job abilities so 5 cross class's available).

I guess for me though, the trade off of the job stones in a balance sense (both from passive traits gained and abilities from job stones) would be to lose versatility. Allowing 5 free slots aside from the 5 job abilities I don't feel is enough of a detraction for all that you're gaining. I also don't feel that allowing all jobs(not classes) to set cure, second wind, Invigorate, blood for blood, and Chameleon helps preserve the jobs focus.

Based on what has been said by SE, I see classes as a solo/smallgroup versatile option where as jobs are Focused party roles. Ex. Warrior loses the ability to use Cure and second wind to maximize hate/tanking and damage, while passing the healing responsibilities onto the more potent WHM healer. But again that's just my personal opinion.

I found the comment by Yoshida I was looking for:

EDIT:

JPGAMES.DE, Michael: Recently you mentioned combined jobs, what can you tell us about it and what jobs could that be?

Yoshida Naoki: The requirement to get these jobs is to do a job quest, but to do a job quest, there is a special requirement too. If you want to become a paladin, you need to have a class level 30 of gladiator and 15 of marauder. Then you can apply to this job quest and then, if you complete it, you can unlock that job, so it is not really like combining classes. It is more like a requirement.


For example, paladin will be a really special job for tanking. To make sure that he gets those abilities, he will need do more different quests to get those abilities. You are going to protect others, but that’s not all. You have the marauder as a background class before you become a paladin. Those kind of class abilities will be connected to the paladin job. Even if you had more classes in the past, these are not related to the paladin and can’t be used.

Despite the required classes from his example not being the actual requirement, it is clear to me he's saying that the class abilities from the sub class will be used for the job.

Guys remember that paladin has a move or spell that heals itself and 50%of the parties. Or vice versa which makes perfect sense. having said that white mage leveling gladiator makes less sense but we will all know soon enough.

Some actions from required classes still might not be accessible. Honestly I cant wait till the full spread of information is available.

Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

They never explicitly said that all the actions from the secondary class would be available, or that those woule be the only ones accessible.

You must have missed the part where they explicitly said:

You have the marauder as a background class before you become a paladin. Those kind of class abilities will be connected to the paladin job.

Summary: The actions available to the secondary Lv.15 class required for a job quest will be available for said job. In this example, he's making a pretty straight-forward implication that Paladin will have access to Heavy Swing, Foresight, Brutal Swing, Bloodbath, Skull Sunder, and Provoke. (All Lv.1~15 MRD non-exclusive actions)

Now, replace "Marauder" with "Pugilist" and replace "Paladin" with "Black Mage" and you might see what I mean...

You have the pugilist as a background class before you become a black mage. Those kind of class abilities will be connected to the black mage.

That's why it's a logical conclusion, based on this information, to expect at least some of: Pummel, Featherfoot, Second Wind, Concussive Blow, and Blindside to be part of Black Mage's arsenal... which doesn't sound right. These are only Lv.1~15 Pugilist actions that are not even exclusive. No one said anything about every Pugilist action being available, just the cross-class-capable ones within the level range required for unlocking the job... but none of them really fit Black Mage's intent in the first place.