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[Sylvari]

Well, I'm not too worried about how it comes off. I have a certain way of explaining myself, and I can't really stress over it too much. I realize I'm new here, so perhaps you just need time to get used to how I word things. You can rest assured that my words are probably not intended to be as caustic as they might appear. I just know what I want and I speak my mind.

With that said, I haven't denied the possibility of anything. I've simply stated what I think is a bad idea and what I hope to God will not come to pass. It's not even an issue of hardcore, casual, etc. I don't even want to label myself with any of those terms. It is not at all about difficulty, as far as I am concerned, but all about community. And, by community, what I mean is something other than entering a random dungeon full of people I don't know, where all they do is fight and argue over gear, and I end up being the only one trying to pry them apart and keep everyone from ruining the entire run. You have no idea how tired I am of dealing with that, and the reason it appears to be happening is because there is no recourse for people who act that way, because they know they will never see the other players again (being on different servers and all). My desire is to avoid that in this game, if at all possible.

Really? I love going into a random group and seeing chaos take the reins. It's fun to lose some times.. All the years that a played FFXI nothing was more fun than making a group full of random ppl and just talking about random crap while you play and even dying was funny (assuming it didn't happen every 2 seconds)... You should take some time out of your day and throw a water balloon at someone or something.. great fun.

[fusional]

Well, I'm not too worried about how it comes off. I have a certain way of explaining myself, and I can't really stress over it too much. I realize I'm new here, so perhaps you just need time to get used to how I word things. You can rest assured that my words are probably not intended to be as caustic as they might appear. I just know what I want and I speak my mind.

we need to adjust to your candor and opinions while you don't give a rat's ass about ours. got it.

[Sylvari]

we need to adjust to your candor and opinions while you don't give a rat's ass about ours. got it.

Your wrong and right, Everyone is different and should voice their opinions, Whether or not they care about other ppl's views doesn't matter, what matters is whether or not you care about your views. Also it's because everyone is different that no one is special and thus we resort to majority rules.

[Jinko]

And, by community, what I mean is something other than entering a random dungeon full of people I don't know, where all they do is fight and argue over gear, and I end up being the only one trying to pry them apart and keep everyone from ruining the entire run.

It seems we had very different experiences with WoW's dungeon finder.

Most of the time me and my guild would form a 3-4 man party and then jump into the queue which meant you would have people you new doing this content with you, if you were the party leader you had the option to kick obnoxious players (even being able to vote on the process)

Yes people will be greedy with loot that happened in FF11 also and did in FF14 with DH runs prior to materia.

Perhaps you are right in that cross server play does add a sense of anonymity where people can be rude and greedy and get away with it, but I think its a matter of taking the rough with the smooth, some random people were just as nice as others who were just as vile.

we need to adjust to your candor and opinions while you don't give a rat's ass about ours. got it.

LOL

[Rousseau]

Really? I love going into a random group and seeing chaos take the reins. It's fun to lose some times.. All the years that a played FFXI nothing was more fun than making a group full of random ppl and just talking about random crap while you play and even dying was funny (assuming it didn't happen every 2 seconds)... You should take some time out of your day and throw a water balloon at someone or something.. great fun.

I'm not sure if you understand what I'm saying. It was fun to group with people and talk, laugh, have a good time, and even make light of our failures. I'm talking about groups that go something like this (and no, this is not a log, it is a recreation of an experience as best I can remember it):

*everyone zones in, no one says anything*
*tank is obviously new, is having a rough time, I'm on an alt, so I'm not healing this time*
Healer: tank u suck stop being suck
Tank: I am here to gear up so that I don't suck. Please be patient while I do my best.
Healer: no u need to die pls go kill urself lol
Tank: What the hell is your problem?
Healer: u suk and we only live because I am best heals
*this goes on for a while, other two DPS are afraid to say anything*
Me: Guys, if you keep fighting, we will never get done, and you will be forced to deal with each other even longer. Can't we just agree to play nice, do our best, and then say our farewells?
Tank: Yes, please. Let's do that.
Healer: we only dont fail becuz im best heals!!!!111!

Just one example of many. I could go into the run where I was yelled at for rolling on a piece of gear I needed because some dbag wanted to sell it for gold, or the time people exploited a bug to keep queuing in a finished dungeon in order to mess up other players' dungeon cooldown/recast (you can only run one every 15mins), but...yeah. :/

we need to adjust to your candor and opinions while you don't give a rat's ass about ours. got it.

No, you don't, but oh well. :P

[Jinko]

As for the above example I would leave party and rejoin the queue when the debuff wore off. (or vote him out if I was leader)

Lifes too sort to deal with asshats like that.

If everyone were to leave when that kind of thing happened they would soon learn not to do it.

[Sylvari]

I'm not sure if you understand what I'm saying. It was fun to group with people and talk, laugh, have a good time, and even make light of our failures. I'm talking about groups that go something like this (and no, this is not a log, it is a recreation of an experience as best I can remember it):

*everyone zones in, no one says anything*
*tank is obviously new, is having a rough time, I'm on an alt, so I'm not healing this time*
Healer: tank u suck stop being suck
Tank: I am here to gear up so that I don't suck. Please be patient while I do my best.
Healer: no u need to die pls go kill urself lol
Tank: What the hell is your problem?
Healer: u suk and we only live because I am best heals
*this goes on for a while, other two DPS are afraid to say anything*
Me: Guys, if you keep fighting, we will never get done, and you will be forced to deal with each other even longer. Can't we just agree to play nice, do our best, and then say our farewells?
Tank: Yes, please. Let's do that.
Healer: we only dont fail becuz im best heals!!!!111!

Just one example of many. I could go into the run where I was yelled at for rolling on a piece of gear I needed because some dbag wanted to sell it for gold, or the time people exploited a bug to keep queuing in a finished dungeon in order to mess up other players' dungeon cooldown/recast (you can only run one every 15mins), but...yeah. :/



No, you don't, but oh well. :P

This doesn't change my view. I have been in many parties like that across all the MMO's i have played and every time it still gives me a laugh. At the end of the run in that situation i would give the tank a few tip's and tell him to keep trying and started mocking the healer, Cause like all humans.. I find it fun to mock ppl and see things go horrible wrong at the worst time in a game cause it's just random and funny to me...

[Rousseau]

As for the above example I would leave party and rejoin the queue when the debuff wore off.

Lifes too sort to deal with asshats like that.

If everyone were to leave when they started acting up they would soon learn not to do it.

Yeah, I guess you're right. I just feel like such an ass for leaving in the middle of a group, regardless of the reasoning. I try to do my best and see things through to the end. Perhaps I care way too much about such things.

[Sylvari]

As for the above example I would leave party and rejoin the queue when the debuff wore off. (or vote him out if I was leader)

Lifes too sort to deal with asshats like that.

If everyone were to leave when that kind of thing happened they would soon learn not to do it.

That's one option, but it all depends on what you feel like doing at that time, whether it's stirring the pot, being the voice of reason or just plain getting rid of the ass hole/leaving the group. It all depends on what you feel like doing at the time. I've played mediator and had to salvage groups numerous times in FFXI. The challenge can be fun some times.. But other times i just cbf and i ditch the group and find something else to do.

[Rokien]

I think its time for a poll on this..... I would create it but I'm "cutting back" on threads.
Not everyone will post their opinion about it(which is bad). As we saw in the server merge.
So, would someone like to create a poll?

here is my take on it:
Dungeon finders, they are great if you don't want to wait to make a party. That's cool and all, but... That will lead to always using it when possible. As I've seen/heard on these forums(I can throw out quotes) people don't want time syncs or give 30mins to just "wasting time". So, if this is implemented people will maybe shout once or twice, than hit up the finder. This is bad, especially for people like me that will boycott the system(as I am doing with the goobuu, I still don't have mine). If I get in a group that does that, I will leave(ya my choice I know).
So, I go about to create my own group. I get half the people, the people don't want to wait around for more people and leave(because I don't wanna use the system). I've seen it many times when I try and walk to places(they kick me). Now, that creates rude players if you ask me. If something is implemented for you to be lazy about something, you will throw that laziness at other people.
So, for the people saying"Just don't use it" well, it effects everyone, not just a few. Also, people will get away with other things, and maybe they will do that in their own community as well.
One of my many two cents about this issue.