New summoner is unacceptable

[Darksummoner]

Your comment is overall wrong.

Summoners don't feel like elementalist, first of all because summons are something you don't spam (unlike new SMN). Secondly, because summoners have their own capabilities outside of summons. Yuna and Garnet are specialized in white magic for example, Rydia (the first "true" FF summoner) in black magic instead, and as such she could use damage over time spells.

Lastly, DPS jobs are objectively getting easier.

I hate when people want a class to be complicated or hard to play. That shit reminds me of the garbage from WoW. Where EVERYONE whined when a class got a redesign. NOT EVERY class (job) needs to be all complicated and difficult to play. And where is the rule book that says a summon needs to be a long cast to call something forth ?? I'm sorry. But I don't want jobs to be shitty and unfun and boring like WoW classes. FFXIV has fun jobs, I would like for them to stay that way.

[Rolder50]

I hate when people want a class to be complicated or hard to play. That shit reminds me of the garbage from WoW. Where EVERYONE whined when a class got a redesign. NOT EVERY class (job) needs to be all complicated and difficult to play. And where is the rule book that says a summon needs to be a long cast to call something forth ?? I'm sorry. But I don't want jobs to be shitty and unfun and boring like WoW classes. FFXIV has fun jobs, I would like for them to stay that way.

Sure not every class needs to be complex. But it still stings to have one of the few that WAS complex be dumbed down to possibly the simplest in the game. Just like not every class needs to be complex, not every class needs to be simple and easy. And yet FF14 has been trending to making ALL of them simple and easy.

[Riusvell]

Sure not every class needs to be complex. But it still stings to have one of the few that WAS complex be dumbed down to possibly the simplest in the game. Just like not every class needs to be complex, not every class needs to be simple and easy. And yet FF14 has been trending to making ALL of them simple and easy.

Sad part is at least the simple and complete classes offer more feedback regarding Gameplay than this mess.
The fact that the former "simple" and "newbie friendly" caster class somehow has gotten more complex and actually offers good feedback in terms of it's gameplay... compared to this ""successful rework"" that just offers no signal if you're even doing something well... Yeah, no. That ain't right.

You're just carelessly flinging around spells and if you make it have healing potencies, you basically have a healer.
Like you can just ignore all your gemstones and go straight to the Demi after spamming ruin 3, like for real? You legit can't mess up any mechanic that the job possesses because it has absolutely no mechanics.
I ain't asking for much, I'm asking for a job to be complete and it's gameplay to actually convey that you're doing something right.
The bold part being VERY important.

Though I feel like I'm talking to a wall because many people harp on the fact "OH BUT NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE COMPLEX" or this "BUT IT ISN'T WOW WARLOCK ANYMORE". Guys, people have legitimately expressed how or why it's really not a good rework and it's not because of those reasons that keep being repeated. Also, if we bring in the excuse X did it first, then nothing should be allowed to be created as almost every possibility has been used in games already.

[Miles064]

Sure not every class needs to be complex. But it still stings to have one of the few that WAS complex be dumbed down to possibly the simplest in the game. Just like not every class needs to be complex, not every class needs to be simple and easy. And yet FF14 has been trending to making ALL of them simple and easy.

Been thinking this for a while now but, this is one of the things WoW style talent rows(not the old trees) is supposed to address. For mage, Incanter's flow was a passive that went from 5% dmg buff scaling up to 20% then scaling back down to 5%. You had no control over it so you could mostly ignore it. You could try to line up cds at the 20% but it ended up evening out anyway. rune of power on the other hand had a huge 40% spell dmg buff but you had to cast it, stand in it, and it only lasted like 8 seconds or something. Rune was the better dps option if you could handle it but flow was still solid as an easier option. Mirror image sucked though so hopefully SE can avoid stuff like that.