New summoner is unacceptable

[Shougun]

Final Fantasy XI would like a word with you. When you summon avatars, you can use them to heal the party, cast buffs, enfeebles, and attack enemies with strong physical or magical damage. Ramuh can stun all enemies in range. Garuda can cast large party heals. Ifrit grants attack boosts. Diabolos grants an AOE MP restore over time. So yeah, FFXI summoner is the best iteration of summoner the franchise has ever had, with the summoner controlling the avatar's actions and the avatar dealing all of the damage.

FFXI, imo, is a FFT SMN with pet mechanics. Which tbh is pretty neat. Due to how FFXIV is balanced a lot of the choice probably couldn't fit, but even now I wish our SMN had more summons. It would be neat to stuff like shiva, ramuh, odin, alexander, etc. FFXI is certainly a special sort of beast when it comes to balance (or lack there of lol).

At level 90 it is pretty epic spectacle though, so I'm not saying it out of pure complaint. Just like that far off dream that would be neat if they could ignite somehow. Maybe after every X gem primals (ifrit, titan, garuda) you temporarily unlock Shiva, Levi, and Ramuh and have to pick one of them. Disrupting the rotation into something like Ifrit, Garuda, Titan, Levi, Titan, Garuda, Ifrit, Ramuh, etc, etc. I'm not sure. It's hard to be so tight with balance and streamlined properly for mechanics that FFXIV needs and also offer a bunch of unique options....

[Dyvid]

FFXI, imo, is a FFT SMN with pet mechanics. Which tbh is pretty neat. Due to how FFXIV is balanced a lot of the choice probably couldn't fit, but even now I wish our SMN had more summons. It would be neat to stuff like shiva, ramuh, odin, alexander, etc. FFXI is certainly a special sort of beast when it comes to balance (or lack there of lol).

At level 90 it is pretty epic spectacle though, so I'm not saying it out of pure complaint. Just like that far off dream that would be neat if they could ignite somehow. Maybe after every X gem primals (ifrit, titan, garuda) you temporarily unlock Shiva, Levi, and Ramuh and have to pick one of them. Disrupting the rotation into something like Ifrit, Garuda, Titan, Levi, Titan, Garuda, Ifrit, Ramuh, etc, etc. I'm not sure. It's hard to be so tight with balance and streamlined properly for mechanics that FFXIV needs and also offer a bunch of unique options....

Honestly I don't know why other than "SE reasons" they couldn't have include the other 3 primals in the mix. DWT = Umbral Summons (Titan, Leviathan, Ramuh) and FWT = Astral Summons (Ifrit, Shiva, Garuda). Each summon could have added a Elemental debuff increasing the power of the next summon in the rotation.

Nor do I understand why the felt the need to basically delete pets all together. You could have had, say Summon Garuda II, then when she leaves instead of carbuncle you have Garuda Egi on Sic auto attack until the next summon is cast.

As for DoTs, don't tell me when you run a dungeon you don't miss placing DoTs on a whole pack as the tank drives them down the field.

[Fyffer]

Final Fantasy XI would like a word with you. When you summon avatars, you can use them to heal the party, cast buffs, enfeebles, and attack enemies with strong physical or magical damage. Ramuh can stun all enemies in range. Garuda can cast large party heals. Ifrit grants attack boosts. Diabolos grants an AOE MP restore over time. So yeah, FFXI summoner is the best iteration of summoner the franchise has ever had, with the summoner controlling the avatar's actions and the avatar dealing all of the damage.

I would so very much love a summoner like that here.

[RachelM]

I live and breath my Summoner and this change has been long overdue, imo. Is it an adjustment? Absolutely. Am I somewhat change resistant? A touch but this change is for the better. Button bloat does not equal "meaty" or "complex" and, frankly, the rotation of the old summoner wasn't all that "optimized" either. It was a tad clunky even. Summoner was my main go-to class and I was good at it. I am not saying there isn't room for improvement on this new summoner layout because there is but I'm just not experiencing the amount of angst over the changes that some are. I expect there will be further fine tuning of the class because that's what always happens so I'll just roll with it and see how it all plays out over time. For now however, I'm not unhappy with the new summoner and am even a bit pleased to not have a bunch of craptastic stuff that does little but in order to even TRY to get my damage up I have to use them spells.

[SweetPete]

Love summoner as well. Got it to 90. I do wish our elemental primals stayed out a bit longer like bahamut and Phoenix but hey I’ll take what I can get. Also, I been wanting Alexander Demi for a very long time but I feel we will never get him bwcause he is the time element and we know how the dev teams feels about time related abilities. They don’t want us messing up others rotations.

I was sad but then I saw Hydaelyn and was like Alexander who? I hope she becomes our next Demi summon along with Shiva, Ramuh and Leviathan as the added new elementals.

[SherlottaEryut]

I've just started to play summoner and to be honest, I don't hate it. People wanted it to be more easy and that's exactly what you got.

Think of it this way; you're just not used to how it is. We went from an overcomplicated rotation to a simplistic one. Obviously it's going to take some time getting used to.. But I don't see why people think it's bad, I still enjoy it and think they did a great job.

[FujikoN]

The new summoner is good. I really enjoy and a lot of other players enjoy it.

[Soge01]

Just started playing the new Summoner today and it feels so great. I feel so much more powerful than I did with the previous iterations and it actually feels like a real FF Summoner! I'm still only at lvl 80, but I'm looking forward to seeing what more it can do on the road to lvl 90.

[Doc_Seraph]

Don't stress too much kupo because the sun still shines. A giant advanced chat with avatars kupo.

<3 kupo

[zcrash970]

Don't stress too much kupo because the sun still shines. A giant advanced chat with avatars kupo.

<3 kupo

Nah, I'm going keep trashing on this terrible rework