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[miyakai]

@ miyakai That does not say "You can only use MRD skills" Its says those two classes are tied together someway.

I didn't say that in any way, shape, or form.

I'm explaining that they said that the actions of the sub-class required to unlock a job will be part of the job's arsenal to begin with.

Either way, they have done a pretty poor job at explaining the limitations of cross-class'ing actions while having a job stone equipped. I'm just drawing conclusions based off of actual dev information, and not just broad assumptions.

[NoctisUmbra]

You must have missed the part where they explicitly said:



Summary: The actions available to the secondary Lv.15 class required for a job quest will be available for said job. In this example, he's making a pretty straight-forward implication that Paladin will have access to Heavy Swing, Foresight, Brutal Swing, Bloodbath, Skull Sunder, and Provoke. (All Lv.1~15 MRD non-exclusive actions)

Now, replace "Marauder" with "Pugilist" and replace "Paladin" with "Black Mage" and you might see what I mean...



That's why it's a logical conclusion, based on this information, to expect at least some of: Pummel, Featherfoot, Second Wind, Concussive Blow, and Blindside to be part of Black Mage's arsenal... which doesn't sound right. These are only Lv.1~15 Pugilist actions that are not even exclusive. No one said anything about every Pugilist action being available, just the cross-class-capable ones within the level range required for unlocking the job... but none of them really fit Black Mage's intent in the first place.

You're making quite the jump to a conclusion from that simple statement - a statement so outdated that it still suggests MRD to be the sub for PLD, when in actuality it is CNJ. That aside, the statement itself implies a connection at best with their abilities. It in no way goes into such detail as allowing one to take skills under lv 15 from that sub class, and that sub class only. That is a connection you yourself are making, not found in evidence.

In actuality, each job may be limited to certain classes that they can take abilities from - and without any level restriction. Simply restricted in which classes and/or number of skills.

In the end, I won't accept something as fact until there's concrete evidence.

[Felis]

after reading some of this post, i'm kinda disappointed. i thought it was going to be similar to ffxi, like starting your new job from level 1. too bad for all those level 50s out there.

Wasn't it clear since ... hm, may?

[Antanias]

Ya know, after reading those combinations again...I'd rather see GLA + THM = DRK rather than PLD --> DRK w/ the possibility that you'll be forced to pick between the two.

[Jinrya-Geki]

...So all you black mages to be are gonna pull hate from the tank to restore a pitiful amount of MP...?

... Gonna run up to the mob and smack it a few times to build TP, IF, AND IF you can't use invigorate because it can't be cross-classed, and possibly have to waste the heal taking damage from an AoE around the enemy or Punish Barbs...?

And use Blindside, which says Doesn't affect auto-attack or Spells...?

Am I really reading all these comments right?

First off if you pull hate off a tank, you suck. (Anyone offended by this comment, truth hurts huh?)

Second if it's true that as a job you can only have 5 cross class abilities why waste it two abilities like Featherfoot and Second wind if you shouldn't be getting hit or taking hate. Invigorate is awesome to pair with Second wind, but if you can't use invigorate, are you really gonna run up to Ifrit while he's friggen glowing spamming that body explosion? If so and you can't use Invigorate to generate the tp, you are seriously an idiot.

[Rydin]

...So all you black mages to be are gonna pull hate from the tank to restore a pitiful amount of MP...?

... Gonna run up to the mob and smack it a few times to build TP, IF, AND IF you can't use invigorate because it can't be cross-classed, and possibly have to waste the heal taking damage from an AoE around the enemy or Punish Barbs...?

And use Blindside, which says Doesn't affect auto-attack or Spells...?

Am I really reading all these comments right?

First off if you pull hate off a tank, you suck. (Anyone offended by this comment, truth hurts huh?)

Second if it's true that as a job you can only have 5 cross class abilities why waste it two abilities like Featherfoot and Second wind if you shouldn't be getting hit or taking hate. Invigorate is awesome to pair with Second wind, but if you can't use invigorate, are you really gonna run up to Ifrit while he's friggen glowing spamming that body explosion? If so and you can't use Invigorate to generate the tp, you are seriously an idiot.

hahaha.... I still plan on soloing the hell out of these jobs... why not? right?

[Jinrya-Geki]

hahaha.... I still plan on soloing the hell out of these jobs... why not? right?

Pretty sure somewhere it said classes were for solo play while jobs were made for party play.

If you want to solo cool. But why make it harder for yourself?

[Rydin]

Pretty sure somewhere it said classes were for solo play while jobs were made for party play.

If you want to solo cool. But why make it harder for yourself?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thats the joke I have with my friends....
Every time anyone mentions jobs... we all say "Jobs are for party... classes are for solo"
thats the company line
I just can't see this being the case

SE interoffice memo:
"We'll give you these 5 abilities and all of a sudden.... You can no longer solo....
ok... I know you don't actually "lose" anything... but you can no longer solo...
why? because we said "Jobs are for party... classes are for solo"
Why would you use jobs to solo when we said "Jobs are for party... classes are for solo"
ok... yea.. you have the same abilities.... plus 5 more....
same (And even better) gear.... we might play with stats a little but when has that EVER mattered?
The point is... we don't wanna see any of you soloing with these jobs or we WILL be forced to bring down the Banhammer"

[Jinrya-Geki]

That is funny lol

[Evaddaragon]

To me, they mean that "classes are meant for solo or light party" because you're not "limited" in cross-classing like you'd be with jobs, allowing you for some more flexibility in your choices of abilities.

I'm still guessing that they'd lower the amount of available abilities to five instead of ten at 50, to make sure you have the same maximum amount of abilities regardless if you're on a class, or a job.

The only thing I can't be sure is if whether or not having a sub-class limits us to cross-classing only from the sub-class... which we'll know soon enough anyway.