New summoner is unacceptable

[Shougun]

I am completely of the mind that carbuncle shouldn't peace out when you do your other summons, and instead should be tied to aetherflow somehow. (And that aetherflow shouldn't just be direct damage buttons, but have some kind of significant interaction with the rest of your rotation)
(also somehow make it be able to cast the ogcds while moving. I'm actually seeing pretty consistent ghosting while moving)

I think making carby out, and granting access to the two carby skills, would help some in things to do department (rather than them locking off, if they're locked off when carby is not out- at that point might as well just have them morphing skills). Though if we connect it to aetherflow wouldn't that mess with radiant aegis? I suppose you might consider something like 1 radiant aegis is free with cooldown but when you earn aetherflow you can cast it one more time (consuming the charge of course, though people might argue on if free version should have priority or not- like if you want to be forced to use aetherflow to use the skill, leaving the cooldown variant alone or if the cooldown variant takes priority even if you had aetherflow active).

I'd love to see physick gain that sort of interaction though, aetherflow physick doing something worthwhile. Maybe physick is changed to have a higher mp cost (or cooldown), but scales with INT (at least as far as I remember it's still MND- I know when I use it at current level it's a terrible terrible skill wasting my bar space on most days lol). Alternatively than higher mp cost initially might be like each consecutive cast doubles the mp cost. Then when you use it with aetherflow it causes carby (who doesn't vanish anymore), also cast a spell- perhaps an equally strong shield onto the target that if broken deals damage a bit like TBN on DRK allowing for skilled use to mitigate cost (Although maybe still a little bit of a loss compared to DRK, shield because carby in other FF is known for using reflect).

Although personally I still kind of want the fester and painflare to mix with aetherflow stacks for unique primal effects. Like Gaol for fester (single target strong CC + fester damage), Tumult for painflare (echo's aoe damage after your following actions up to X). Although that perhaps could be some other skill, so there are even more (though I do encourage continued use of morphing skills, I quite like that).

I know it's not the coolest use of pets, and maybe SE is being strict on this because they want it to be different (like Dragoon and animation lock lol), but... I feel like it would be better in some cases to have the damage / effect come from you using the ability and "try" to get the pet to animate on time but if it doesn't then "woops". One thought to make that feel better though was to make it so when you use abilities on things that aren't out, then trigger the effect independent of the pet (but do your best to line them up as often as possible, if the ahk morn drops before bahamut is fully out then.. not terrible), THEN when pets are out and you use things that rely on them.. rather than cause that unit specifically to respond to the animation use the ninja ghost like effect (when they duplicate their attacks) to animate the casting on top of the primal itself. Either way stuff is getting done on a consistent schedule.

[Roda]

No physick pls. D;

[Shougun]

No physick pls. D;

Like you want it to be not useful? Or you'd think removing it and replacing it with something else better (not healing related)?

Just a little confused since you mentioned aetherflow having more use than just damage, but then you said no to our fairly useless skill lol.

My guess is a concern you might be looked upon to replace healers in need, and don't want to do that. Which is fine if we can replace the skill with something else!

Currently though I just think at physick "why do you exist? why!" lol.

[Rin_Kuroi]

You can choose to interpret my statements however you wish. That does not change the fact that quite a number of affliction warlock summoners are the ones who are attacking people's level of skill based on whether they like the new version of the class or not. They generally come across as unreasonable if not downright disconnected from the generally accepted state of affairs that prior to 6.0 Summoner was just...weird.

What is an affliction warlock summoner? What does that even mean? What does that have to do with the summoner new or old?

See what I'm doing here? It's attacking an idea. Not the person. Try that if you want to spread less negativity.

[Roda]

Like you want it to be not useful? Or you'd think removing it and replacing it with something else better (not healing related)?

Just a little confused since you mentioned aetherflow having more use than just damage, but then you said no to our fairly useless skill lol.

My guess is a concern you might be looked upon to replace healers in need, and don't want to do that. Which is fine if we can replace the skill with something else!

Currently though I just think at physick "why do you exist? why!" lol.

Oh you can have aetherflow TIE INTO damage, just not be a "push button, hp is depleted on target, nothing else happens" Kind of like how aetherflow used to fuel our trances and our trances used to fuel bahamut, or how egi assaults did damage and let us have mobility, but also gave us ruin IVs to empower our bahamut phase (Though, the communication of that empowerment was poorly executed)

Basically just have our kit interact with itself outside of the individual phases.

Physick can be thrown in a bin (and honestly, res can too, the utility is strong and I love being able to carry a group with it, but I'd rather it be on the healer and the individuals to stay vertical.)

[Ayer2015]

I am thoroughly enjoying the changes to summoner. Thematically its far better than what it was previous. From a rotation perspective, after I hit 86 and gained additional aetherflow abilities the rotation felt better.

[Ayer2015]

What is an affliction warlock summoner? What does that even mean? What does that have to do with the summoner new or old?

See what I'm doing here? It's attacking an idea. Not the person. Try that if you want to spread less negativity.

Warlock summoner = dot mage with pets.

[Rin_Kuroi]

Warlock summoner = dot mage with pets.

But what does warlock mean in this context? I don't understand. Are you talking about black mages? Black mages in final fantasy games almost always had Bio and other DoTs. Black mages have also been closely tied to summoners throughout the entire series. My favorite two summoners Rydia and Terra always had black magic spells. Like I've said before Miasma and Bio fit in perfectly fine with the game's lore and with the history of the series. Mechanically the DoTs on the old summoner sucked but I don't think that's the argument being made here.

[Lloyd777]

If you want to be annoyingly nitpicky : you are still attacking his/her idea so still attacking him/her in the end. The pot calling the kettle black

[Daralii]

But what does warlock mean in this context? I don't understand. Are you talking about black mages? Black mages in final fantasy games almost always had Bio and other DoTs. Black mages have also been closely tied to summoners throughout the entire series. My favorite two summoners Rydia and Terra always had black magic spells. Like I've said before Miasma and Bio fit in perfectly fine with the game's lore and with the history of the series. Mechanically the DoTs on the old summoner sucked but I don't think that's the argument being made here.

It's a WoW comparison. "DoT mage with pet" is a large part of warlock's schtick.