New summoner is unacceptable

[aveyond-dreams]

I've been reading this thread from the beginning. You've done your fair share of helping to spread negativity by mostly dumping on people that don't share your opinion on the new summoner. Please, take your own advice and do something else.

You can choose to interpret my statements however you wish. That does not change the fact that quite a number of affliction warlock summoners are the ones who are attacking people's level of skill based on whether they like the new version of the class or not. They generally come across as unreasonable if not downright disconnected from the generally accepted state of affairs that prior to 6.0 Summoner was just...weird.

I followed most of this post too and something I did not see anyone talking much about are if they are on keyboard or not when playing the old summoner. I am on gamepad and I find the new summoner better suited for the gamepad

I remember playing old Summoner on controller at the start of Shadowbringers. Would not recommend.

[Rin_Kuroi]

You can choose to interpret my statements however you wish. That does not change the fact that quite a number of affliction warlock summoners are the ones who are attacking people's level of skill based on whether they like the new version of the class or not. They generally come across as unreasonable if not downright disconnected from the generally accepted state of affairs that prior to 6.0 Summoner was just...weird.

What is an affliction warlock summoner? What does that even mean? What does that have to do with the summoner new or old?

See what I'm doing here? It's attacking an idea. Not the person. Try that if you want to spread less negativity.

[Ayer2015]

What is an affliction warlock summoner? What does that even mean? What does that have to do with the summoner new or old?

See what I'm doing here? It's attacking an idea. Not the person. Try that if you want to spread less negativity.

Warlock summoner = dot mage with pets.

[Rin_Kuroi]

Warlock summoner = dot mage with pets.

But what does warlock mean in this context? I don't understand. Are you talking about black mages? Black mages in final fantasy games almost always had Bio and other DoTs. Black mages have also been closely tied to summoners throughout the entire series. My favorite two summoners Rydia and Terra always had black magic spells. Like I've said before Miasma and Bio fit in perfectly fine with the game's lore and with the history of the series. Mechanically the DoTs on the old summoner sucked but I don't think that's the argument being made here.

[Daralii]

But what does warlock mean in this context? I don't understand. Are you talking about black mages? Black mages in final fantasy games almost always had Bio and other DoTs. Black mages have also been closely tied to summoners throughout the entire series. My favorite two summoners Rydia and Terra always had black magic spells. Like I've said before Miasma and Bio fit in perfectly fine with the game's lore and with the history of the series. Mechanically the DoTs on the old summoner sucked but I don't think that's the argument being made here.

It's a WoW comparison. "DoT mage with pet" is a large part of warlock's schtick.

[Rin_Kuroi]

It's a WoW comparison. "DoT mage with pet" is a large part of warlock's schtick.

Ah. Okay. After a few google searches I see now, thank you. I totally forget that even existed. I knew the game had a mage class but totally forgot about warlocks. I'm know very little about WoW.

So being like a World of Warcraft warlock is bad? I don't know enough about them to really judge one way or the other.

[Lloyd777]

If you want to be annoyingly nitpicky : you are still attacking his/her idea so still attacking him/her in the end. The pot calling the kettle black

[Rin_Kuroi]

If you want to be annoyingly nitpicky : you are still attacking his/her idea so still attacking him/her in the end. The pot calling the kettle black

I haven't attacked the person or the argument yet. I don't even know what the argument is!

[Melorie]

I haven't attacked the person or the argument yet. I don't even know what the argument is!

Apparently, if you have any grips whatsoever with the new summoner you're already attacking other people, by not letting them have fun. Either that or you're part of some evil clan that wants to bring WoW's warlock into Final Fantasy. lmao

[Shougun]

Apparently, if you have any grips whatsoever with the new summoner you're already attacking other people, by not letting them have fun. Either that or you're part of some evil clan that wants to bring WoW's warlock into Final Fantasy. lmao

You're allowed to have your own unique opinions as long as they agree with mine!