How do we get refund for early access?

[VforVendetta]

Maybe its more that we are just tired of seeing so many people posting disingenuous posts about this. We are all unhappy with the lobby server issues, but please. This isn't even close to the worst launch in recent times. Its not even the worst launch this year.

It doesn't matter. Complaints generate innovation. The squeaky wheel gets the oil. You don't sit back and let someone take advantage of you. You say you are sick of hearing about it yet all you defenders of sq are here without fail.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

It doesn't matter. Complaints generate innovation. The squeaky wheel gets the oil. You don't sit back and let someone take advantage of you. You say you are sick of hearing about it yet all you defenders of sq are here without fail.

Complaints don't generate innovation. Need does. And Competition.

Hence why most of our innovation in history has come from conflict of some sort. Wars, the space race, race to the moon, etc.

[Velnora]

Maybe its more that we are just tired of seeing so many people posting disingenuous posts about this. We are all unhappy with the lobby server issues, but please. This isn't even close to the worst launch in recent times. Its not even the worst launch this year.

These are not disingenous. They screwed the pooch. Plain and simple. The game has been woefully underfunded for years, and it's rearing it's head for all to see. They can apologize all they like, but it all means dickybajeezax until they act on it.

As far as one of the biggest mmos on the market, backed by one of the biggest game developers in the world, yeah, it's pretty bad by those standards. New World is crap, and was expected to be crap, because it's amazon and their betas reinforced that. It doesn't need to be "the worst", to still be pretty bad.

[VforVendetta]

Complaints don't generate innovation. Need does. And Competition.

Lmao, how do you think needs are determined?

[Velnora]

You're perfectly allowed that viewpoint. My problem with Velnora's post was bemoaning early access being a beta test period and I was saying there's no consequences for not getting those incentives to play during beta test.

Look I'll be playing Lost Ark when it releases and it has an early access period for people who buy a gold package. Generally because time is valuable in that game, you do get an advantage for going fast and therefore you are paying for an advantage when buying that package ... kinda. Other games do the same, games where you have an advantage reaching endgame early and therefore you are incentivised to get on as early as possible.

FFXIV isn't one of those games so to complain about a beta test period which is really 100% optional is not one of the most pressing issues the game has imo.

Right. The issue is they (and the industry at large), bribe people with incentives to beta test their games before "official launch". And you really cannot tell someone they gain no benefit from getting on as quick as possible. Maybe some people wanna get ready for raids. Perhaps people want to avoid spoilers. A myriad of reasons why someone may want to be on as quick as possible.

[VforVendetta]

Example "I simply can't remove these stains" BILLY MAY'S HERE WITH A NEW INNOVATION, OXY CLEAN"

[Rae88]

Right. The issue is they (and the industry at large), bribe people with incentives to beta test their games before "official launch". And you really cannot tell someone they gain no benefit from getting on as quick as possible. Maybe some people wanna get ready for raids. Perhaps people want to avoid spoilers. A myriad of reasons why someone may want to be on as quick as possible.

Oh that's true. The serious raiders would be pretty frustrated

[MaikoRaines]

Example "I simply can't remove these stains" BILLY MAY'S HERE WITH A NEW INNOVATION, OXY CLEAN"

Phil Swift here for Flex Tape!

[Velnora]

Oh that's true. The serious raiders would be pretty frustrated

I would imagine anyone having to wait in queue for 2 or more hours, to then get kicked and put in the back, would be pretty frustrated. How bout dem server improvements from the cash shop! Which, if you look at the current situation of trying to buy the game for the first time, and how it hasn't been improved at all, I would be hard pressed to believe they have actually improved anything on that front.

[Vrankyl]

Example "I simply can't remove these stains" BILLY MAY'S HERE WITH A NEW INNOVATION, OXY CLEAN"

Ah yes, a cleaning company creating a cleaning product.

Now, here is this problem. Not enough physical hardware to meet the demand during a time where the hardware required is extremely hard to get. SE is a software company, and has been (and is continuing) to try and find software workarounds. Unfortunately, there is a limit to how much software can solve when it relies purely on the capabilities of the hardware. The only way to truly fix this is to get the hardware, so by stating they should innovate a fix is saying they need to be a hardware company too. It's just not in their scope of practice. Does sitting in queue suck? Yeah it does. Does losing your spot suck even more? Yes, yes it does. And it is okay to be upset about it, but you have to be realistic and accept that some things just are at times. If SE was being silent, that would be one thing but they are constantly posting statements about what is going on and what they are doing to address it.

As for the bit of 'oh now they are fixing it on launch day'. I would imagine it has less to do with it being launch day and more about the fact that EA started on a Friday, and the devs deserve some time off too. So yes, they are pushing fixes during their regularly scheduled work week. The shocker.