New summoner is unacceptable

[Rolder50]

I enjoy how it's only the pro-New SMN posters on this thread dropping slurs and insults, very cool.

[SieyaM]

Wow, welcome to healer gameplay for the last 4 or so years. I guess now that it's a DPS job suffering from button spam it's a real problem.

[ZetsubouX]

I haven't played summoner but I just wanted to comment the following:

It's kind of hilarious to me that the OP posts screenshots of his UI, where he has less keybinds at a higher level than me and then proceeds to shit on tanks for their "simplicity".

Bruh, I'm lvl 54 and I have more keybinds than you, what are you doing? Disregarding half of your abilities?
When you play tank, do you make a macro that uses all your defensive cooldowns in one button? Hint: That's not how you use defensive cooldowns.

Like, I get it, you're frustrated cause your job got changed or something.
But don't shit on another class of jobs for being "simplistic" when you have less keybinds than I do and I'm 26 levels below you. Lmao.

Granted, as a Warrior there are some keybinds I could remove, like Interject. I don't know what the point is of having Interject in terms of PvE, but I still have it keybound because that's what good MMO players do, understand their toolkit and use it when it is relevant to do so. So even if 99% of casted abilities cannot be interjected in PvE, I still have it keybound just in case.

To come back to the topic at hand though, this may actually be the problem with your job. If you aren't using like half or over half your abilities as a job, then there is probably something wrong with your job indeed.
So what should be adressed, is the pointlessness of many abilities in your job?

[Rolder50]

It's definitely time for some to step away from the keyboard and relax while we are all waiting on these login queues. Interacting with the affliction warlock crowd in anything but a calm manner is not an effective way to get the point across. For those who do not understand the comparison, Warlock is a WoW class that deals with summoning demons and inflicting poisons. It formed the basis for original SMN but for the past 8 years many believed it was a bad fit for such a longstanding and core class to the FF series.

Now that the class resembles a Final Fantasy Summoner, those who either do not have experience with other Final Fantasy titles or who for whatever reason preferred being a poison mage as opposed to a mage that calls down literal gods are upset. There are also those who mistakenly believe that there should be "simple and complex" classes when in reality what we need is good job design. Something Summoner has been lacking for the past 8 years until recently, now that the rework has occurred. When these players shout down others and demean their abilities or competency it is no wonder why they are largely unsuccessful in wooing over people to their side.

The fact that some of those who still cling to the failed state of old Summoner are still here contributing to such a negative mood speaks volumes about their stance and how contrasting it is with that of the majority of the playerbase, which so far seems to be doing quite fine. I choose to simply speak my mind about things and set the record straight for those who still have an open mind-I know full well that there is no convincing an Affliction Warlock that Summoner is better off as a Summoner with decent controls, with "complexity" being a choice for the player regarding what level of difficulty they wish to pursue in battle content instead of poorly designed controls that are forced upon any who play the class.

The comparison to WoW is a bit of a dumb angle because, for one, only one of their three specs has anything to do with dots. For two, the dots aren't really what have people upset. It's the fact that the old flavor and rotation was totally removed and replaced with something with a fraction of the complexity and depth. If the new rotation had any actual depth to it, you wouldn't see nearly this level of angst, dots or not. How many jobs need to have their depth destroyed before people are satisfied?

[Jirah]

These toxic new summoner mains really are the bees knees. Calling old summoner mains morons and so forth for their jobs getting obliterated, coming from a place of utter selfishness.

Half the time the non-mains want adjustments to jobs they never touch, all for the glint and glam not for the gameplay like all other summoner mains want

[Rin_Kuroi]

I've been thinking, even from a lore perspective this is a loss. Summoners are masters of incorporeal aether. We would drain our enemies of their incorpreal aether (Bio, Miasma, etc) and use it summon primals. This idea is central the entire main story. All we got were in return are lemon, lime and cherry flavored summons. Seriously, we should be summoning alexander or eden or hydaelyn her damn self, not this low tier elemental trash that hasn't been involved in the story since level 50.

[Issaella]

Half the time the non-mains want adjustments to jobs they never touch, all for the glint and glam not for the gameplay like all other summoner mains want

^ This.

90% of the whining about 5.0 SMN was from people who played the job for an hour after watching meme videos and then started complaining non stop. The other 10% was valid complaints about companion AI, clipping, and bugs. So... they just destroyed the job for the people who still aren't going to play it, left all the old bugs untouched, and added new bugs.

[eva3071]

I enjoy how it's only the pro-New SMN posters on this thread dropping slurs and insults, very cool.

The other anti-new Summoner thread in DPS had a bunch of anti-new SMNers dropping slurs and insults. It balances out. Asides, the anti-new Summoners just want company with their misery, and they absolutely hate and despise those who enjoy the new iteration of Summoner.

[RocciaSolida]

I agree, Summoner is incredibly boring. Not even doing any of the two EW extremes makes it fun or challenging

[Rin_Kuroi]

The other anti-new Summoner thread in DPS had a bunch of anti-new SMNers dropping slurs and insults. It balances out. Asides, the anti-new Summoners just want company with their misery, and they absolutely hate and despise those who enjoy the new iteration of Summoner.

I've been watching that thread as well. I didn't see anything that bad from either side. It's really just this one poster that's being a super rude. Hopefully my reports haven't been in vain.

edit: a few words