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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post
    I could keep going, but the fact is that none of it amounts to thwarting planetary destruction. It is you who have shifted the goalposts for the protagonists, when the setting has directly spelled out that until Fandaniel, none of the antagonists have been trying to destroy the world. Do it massive harm to enact a weird healing process, yes. Destroy it, no.
    Your outlook is... so muddled it's nonsense. Apparently a planet-wide cataclysm and near-extinction event doesn't count as 'destroying the planet', ergo Team Hydaelyn haven't stopped any planet destructions? Does saving lives not count unless you're saving literally all the lives?

    Do the shards just not count whatsoever to you? Because Team Hydaelyn have confirmably saved at least one (twice over, in fact). Not to mention that every single failed Calamity is a saved shard, at least for a little while, so any rescues in the past also count.

    Your Thordan idea is perhaps the crown jewel of lunacy here. Thordan's actual plan (which Team Hydaelyn stopped) was to go primal, then consume the Warring Triad for even more power with which to rule as god-king. That, amped up with Calamity energies, would actually amp up Thordan's power to such a degree that we haven't faced anything near that scale; even Bahamut was only one primal's worth of energy amped into a Calamity, and we only ever fought Bahamut after Phoenix challenged him (and Phoenix lost, too, to both Bahamut then us!). Saying 'Zenos would stop him' is giving the man an absurd amount of credit; remember that his greatest individual combat feat to date has been losing as a dungeon boss. And he couldn't even pull the possession trick, because he can apparently only do that with weak or empty minds; Thordan has Thordan in it, who at that point would probably be able to muscle him out. And even if he couldn't... I mean, that doesn't stop the Calamity, that just means a different imperialist monster is at the helm.

    And you didn't get to Eureka, but Eureka could potentially do even worse; by the Students of Baldesion's notes, Eureka could drain the planet of everything, leaving it a cold, lifeless rock in space. So if anything counts as 'saving literally all the lives', it's probably that.
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    Last edited by Cleretic; 11-30-2021 at 05:51 PM.

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