"Everyone's so open and friendly" is a lie

[Rinhi]

yeah just allow yourself to get vilified, insulted, harassed and whatnot for daring to have a different opinion than the hivemind - or lo and behold talk about your experience in a way that doesn't fit well with what's allowed
the downvote and karma system is surely working perfectly to self-moderate those undesirables away, I agree

[linayar]

yeah just allow yourself to get vilified, insulted, harassed and whatnot for daring to have a different opinion than the hivemind - or lo and behold talk about your experience in a way that doesn't fit well with what's allowed
the downvote and karma system is surely working perfectly to self-moderate those undesirables away, I agree

I've seen insults from multiple sides of duty finder issues. If it's against Reddit's rules, then report them. Otherwise, if everyone (in Reddit at least) were to stick to one sub, it can paint a better picture of the community's views.

[Rinhi]

I've seen insults from multiple sides of duty finder issues. If it's against Reddit's rules, then report them. Otherwise, if everyone (in Reddit at least) were to stick to one sub, it can paint a better picture of the community's views.

that's... normal? what does that have to do with my point, I must ask, again?
to reiterate it; the community in the main sub (and basically the game itself) is actively suppressing dissenting voices and different opinions, even different experiences, painting those that don't fit into the hivemind and expectations as bad actors, as trolls, as people that have brought it upon themselves, and for what?
so that they can call themselves a nice and friendly community, just ignore all the toxicity that happens against people deemed 'bad', it's fine to be toxic against those because they deserve it, right? happens over and over again on reddit, happens over and over again on the forums here, even (along with crying that the OF is so bad because it isn't coddling people), but hey!

just talk about those toxic experiences you've had on your mainsub! your post about your tank griefing you for no reason will surely not be filled with people that tell you you deserved it, your endgame healer that you asked nicely to use something other than cure 1 and please do dps? people will surely be on your side and not tell you to mind your own business! doesn't matter that the 15 minute dungeon took 40 minutes because of them, you should've just left lol!
crafting mentor giving out bad advice in NN and you want to make a vent post about getting kicked by them and their clique after you corrected them? deleted, only positivity allowed, you were naming and shaming and inviting harassment, even if you weren't

[Dewslam]

My favorite posts in this thread are the ones where people complain that this game's community is to soft, coddled or toxic because it doesn't welcome their posts insulting, harassing, or abusing other members of the community; usually with the unsubtle implication that it's only wrong because the community isn't coddling them, personally.

[Rinhi]

My favorite posts in this thread are the ones where people complain that this game's community is to soft, coddled or toxic because it doesn't welcome their posts insulting, harassing, or abusing other members of the community; usually with the unsubtle implication that it's only wrong because the community isn't coddling them, personally.

if I risk an infraction because I'm telling player A that their refusal to do mechanic X is making it impossible to progress, then yes, the community is coddled

but hey, it's easy to say this from a high horse, only an 'undesirable' can have this opinion, right? only someone that behaves like that could have that opinion, right?
that I've never insulted, harassed or abused a single other player (other than myself) in the entire time I've been playing will fall on deaf ears or you'll accuse me of lying, I bet

guess I'm just a miserable git like the other poster implied, that's the only reason I could have this opinion, after all!

I don't regular these forums as much as I used to because I've learned that my gameplay views and overall enjoyment is actually negatively impacted by the unchecked negativity and bad-faith arguments I find here. And I'm genuinely more happy. If that is a result of players actively 'suppressing dissenting voices' then I'm honestly all for it. The game won a reward based on its community behavior, and it's not the first time it's been lauded this way. Even if you disagree, enough people feel that way for it to be taken notice. Perhaps the issue with your personal experiences lie elsewhere? I find that introspection is healthy in times of misery. Sometimes being around the wrong people or frequenting the wrong places can color your perception of events as they fold out.

more double standards, yay! it's totally fine to drown out any kind of negative opinion about this game because it makes me feel better!
if a forum is affecting your enjoyment of a game negatively, maybe you should be the one that should do some introspection first before telling someone else to do so, cus it's not affecting mine, nor does the state of the community or people having a different opinion than mine
I don't hang around any negative places either, quite the opposite, actually, but please don't try to allude to 'other' reasons just to try to shut down someone else, please?

[Dewslam]

if I risk an infraction because I'm telling player A that their refusal to do mechanic X is making it impossible to progress, then yes, the community is coddled

but hey, it's easy to say this from a high horse, only an 'undesirable' can have this opinion, right? only someone that behaves like that could have that opinion, right?
that I've never insulted, harassed or abused a single other player (other than myself) in the entire time I've been playing will fall on deaf ears or you'll accuse me of lying, I bet

guess I'm just a miserable git like the other poster implied, that's the only reason I could have this opinion, after all!

lmao get a load of this persecution complex. It's easy to navigate social interactions without breaking the rules or insulting people; if you're incapable of that, that's on you. Maybe spend less time fantasizing about what a poor, ostracized, woebegone soul you are and actually look at your own behavior for like three seconds. No one is obliged to entertain your "negative opinions" at any point, and if you can't uphold the social contract of decorum a community wants - then you're not a good fit for that community. Some places revel in negativity, some places don't. Even 4chan has standards, as low a bar as they are.

[LittleImp]

lmao get a load of this persecution complex. It's easy to navigate social interactions without breaking the rules or insulting people; if you're incapable of that, that's on you. Maybe spend less time fantasizing about what a poor, ostracized, woebegone soul you are and actually look at your own behavior for like three seconds. No one is obliged to entertain your "negative opinions" at any point, and if you can't uphold the social contract of decorum a community wants - then you're not a good fit for that community. Some places revel in negativity, some places don't. Even 4chan has standards, as low a bar as they are.

"It's easy not to insult people, let me demonstrate by insulting you repeatedly."

I've never seen someone undermine the point of their own post so rapidly, thanks for the amusing read.

[Rinhi]

lmao get a load of this persecution complex. It's easy to navigate social interactions without breaking the rules or insulting people; if you're incapable of that, that's on you. Maybe spend less time fantasizing about what a poor, ostracized, woebegone soul you are and actually look at your own behavior for like three seconds. No one is obliged to entertain your "negative opinions" at any point, and if you can't uphold the social contract of decorum a community wants - then you're not a good fit for that community. Some places revel in negativity, some places don't. Even 4chan has standards, as low a bar as they are.

so you didn't even read my post? let me quote myself,

that I've never insulted, harassed or abused a single other player (other than myself) in the entire time I've been playing will fall on deaf ears

not to mention that you're completely shifting goalposts about not being allowed to insult people for whatever reason, just like so many people before you because that's your go-to deflection
thanks for proving your own point wrong, by the way

I won't quote your second post, but... that's exactly what I do, too! can you believe that?! positive reinforcements and suggestions are of course better than negative ones and 'forcing' someone to do something, but that was never my argument in any way, either

Why would you expect for people to be on your side? If they're not, then so what?

what? I'm not expecting anyone to be on my side, where did I say that? I'm just giving you examples of what happens or happened, which all but serves to...

That said, I took a look at the rules for the main sub, and it doesn't allow you to vent about duty finder/pug experiences. So at least that's one excuse, which is unfortunate, as it just collects the people who would vent under another sub.

... paint this community as a beacon of niceness, by pushing away those voices that would disagree or didn't have a good experience, like them