Quote Originally Posted by Roda View Post
Also note that a big motivator for people to not improve is the mindset of "what's the point?" Setting expectations for players to not improve plants the idea in their head that progress is unattainable. (Pessimism/cynicism is contagious you know.) I have absolutely adopted some poor newbies who were dumped out of guilds and raid group who had this attitude. They had convinced themselves that they were only good as carries and warm bodies. All it took was a bit of work to heal their confidence and give them guidance on game systems and they were downing some of the hardest challenges those games had to offer.

Saying they "wont" do it is fine. Personal disinterest in gamemodes is completely valid. Not everyone has the time, patience or interest on these things, but saying they "cant" because they're "lazy" or just inherently "bad" is defeatist, gatekeepy and I won't accept it as a healthy or productive outlook of other people.
i admire your naive way to look at it, that's clearly something i can't do with this community but good for you if you had not given up yet and i'm serious no sarcasm here.