Baffling behavior

[Sebazy]

Healer fell asleep that second pull, did he?

These double standards kill me.

"Healers just want to heal! I wish all I had to do was heal, but the game won't let me! Game doesn't give heals anything to do! Even low level dungeons are nothing but downtime. They must think all healers are knuckleheads! We dps 90% of every pull!"

*Tank dies*

"He had the item level but his trinkets were wrong. It wasn't the healer's fault. He shoulda pulled more. He shoulda pulled less. He didn't use rampart, of course he died every pull. He should have discussed how he was going to tank. Healer are supposed to dps, brah! If the tank was too weak to allow healers to dps then the tank is bad!"

Conclusion: Healers can do no wrong in FF14.

Yikes, you really do despise healers don't you. It might be worth seeking some help for that tbh.

[Drkdays]

Yikes, you really do despise healers don't you. It might be worth seeking some help for that tbh.

What an odd thing to say. I love healing classes and find it the most thrilling and challenging thing you can do. So much personal responsibility! Not towards the dungeons so much as towards the party. If the tank dies, naturally it can be attributed to how they perform, and yes, gear, but his life is always in the healer's hands.

I have a lot of respect for anyone who plays a healer, which comes with a correspondingly high set of standards.

I read so many complaints about how healers have it too easy, but this healer totally failed to rise to the challenge, and worse, apparently just gave up even trying.

Imagine defending a healer that voted out a tank, however unimpressively geared, who was apparently still willing to try, before the first boss.

What a total lack of confidence, competence, empathy, and job ethic. Seems like he just wanted to go fast and focus on dps.

Of course OP was baffled. That's hardly the standard expected of FF14 healers. It should be heals/team support > dps.

Again, I have no issues with healers dpsing, but not at the cost of even trying to support a struggling tank.

[Raven2014]

Imagine defending a healer that voted out a tank, however unimpressively geared, who was apparently still willing to try, before the first boss.

What a total lack of confidence, competence, empathy, and job ethic. Seems like he just wanted to go fast and focus on dps.

Of course OP was baffled. That's hardly the standard expected of FF14 healers. It should be heals/team support > dps.

Again, I have no issues with healers dpsing, but not at the cost of even trying to support a struggling tank.

Eh ... reach much? You're making it sound like he's someone diligent trying his best while the fact he doesn't try at all.

- If he was truly trying, he wouldn't enter a dungeon 10 level behind in gears. We don't call that unimpressive, we call that irresponsible.

- He proudly claimed he hasn't master "hyperspeed" in mocking of others asking why he doesn't pop his CD. Yet he has no problem accusing of healer not doing the same thing for him. This shows he's pretty entitled and hardly a team player.

Usually when someone being a snowflake coming to this forum crying about their experience, it's hard not to be skeptical about their claim. But at the very least if to be taken at face value, the one sided story would often make the creator looks good. Yet this tank story is so bad that he already makes himself look bad without even skepticism, make me wonder how bad the original version of the story would be. You're trying to make it sound like he's a victim of unfair treatment, I would say it was the party that was his victim, and not just the healer. That's why the "party" (not the healer) kicked him.

This is not a story of a tank died becaus the healer prefer to dps instead of heal, god know I've been on the wrong side of that problem so many time. This is the story of a tank coming into a dungeon wholly unprepared and got pissed because other does not meet the standards he does not hold himself to.

[Sebazy]

What an odd thing to say. I love healing classes and find it the most thrilling and challenging thing you can do. So much personal responsibility! Not towards the dungeons so much as towards the party. If the tank dies, naturally it can be attributed to how they perform, and yes, gear, but his life is always in the healer's hands.

I have a lot of respect for anyone who plays a healer, which comes with a correspondingly high set of standards.

I read so many complaints about how healers have it too easy, but this healer totally failed to rise to the challenge, and worse, apparently just gave up even trying.

Imagine defending a healer that voted out a tank, however unimpressively geared, who was apparently still willing to try, before the first boss.

What a total lack of confidence, competence, empathy, and job ethic. Seems like he just wanted to go fast and focus on dps.

Of course OP was baffled. That's hardly the standard expected of FF14 healers. It should be heals/team support > dps.

Again, I have no issues with healers dpsing, but not at the cost of even trying to support a struggling tank.

Lol.

I'm not defending anyone in this episode as it's just all too vague. This entire post is just a teetering stack of assumptions that really don't add up. I can't tell who really knows what happened in there, but I can tell you who doesn't. Us.

But go on, you side with your tank buddy. Those nasty healers deserve to be kicked back into the pockets they climbed out of right?

Your talk is nothing but lies, falsehoods and poison. That goes for here and in the healer forums as well.

[Drkdays]

Lol.

I'm not defending anyone in this episode as it's just all too vague. This entire post is just a teetering stack of assumptions that really don't add up. I can't tell who really knows what happened in there, but I can tell you who doesn't. Us.

But go on, you side with your tank buddy. Those nasty healers deserve to be kicked back into the pockets they climbed out of right?

Your talk is nothing but lies, falsehoods and poison. That goes for here and in the healer forums as well.

You're going to have to point out these lies for me. I'll wait.

It's not lying or poison or falsehoods to disagree with the masses. That kind of weak-minded argument will get you nowhere. My comments are based entirely on what OP said. It's possible to draw different conclusions from the same evidence and we base those conclusions on experience. That should go without saying, but calling me a liar because I suggest it's more the healer's fault more than you're willing to believe is outstandingly childish.

[Drkdays]

Because I said healers should struggle in solo content? That's true of a class the is heal focused rather than damage focus. Obviously.

Because I said healers should provide only MODERATE damage (moderate is more than zero, for the literary challenged) or else why bother differentiating them from dps? Also true.

No lies here but your accusations.

Again, there is a minimum ilv required that op must have met. Healing him might have been a challenge, but far from impossible with a lv 69 healer toolkit, but they refused to even try. And it seems pretty obvious that the healer had negative feelings for op, so it's safe to assume that if he wasn't the one to initiate the boot, he had no problems agreeing to it.

Zero effort given to even try, or is voting out a player after 2 wipes (one of which was simply a flub of general group error) even before the first boss considered honest group effort?

Very unimpressive behavior. Could the tank have had better gear? Sure. But he met the requirements.

Sorry if this is triggering you, it's not a personal attack. Maybe you should talk to someone...

[Sebazy]

Again, there is a minimum ilv required that op must have met. Healing him might have been a challenge, but far from impossible with a lv 69 healer toolkit, but they refused to even try.

Again, please quote where the healer refused to try or stop spinning your lies. Thanks.

And it seems pretty obvious that the healer had negative feelings for op, so it's safe to assume that if he wasn't the one to initiate the boot, he had no problems agreeing to it.

Again, please quote where the OP suggested that the healer said anything whatsoever or stop spinning your lies. There's every chance that they were as oblivious to the chat and vote kick as they were the tank needing some healing.

Zero effort given to even try, or is voting out a player after 2 wipes (one of which was simply a flub of general group error) even before the first boss considered honest group effort?

Again, please note the timer before a vote kick can be initiated. Stop spinning your lies. Thanks.

Very unimpressive behavior. Could the tank have had better gear? Sure. But he met the requirements.

Did you miss the part where the tank got called out for using healer/aiming accessories? Stop spinning your lies. Thanks.

Sorry if this is triggering you, it's not a personal attack. Maybe you should talk to someone...

Tell you what, we can get a group booking. You tell the doctor where the healer touched you, I'll tell them where the liar touched me

[Sebazy]

Imagine defending a healer that voted out a tank, however unimpressively geared, who was apparently still willing to try, before the first boss.

Oh and just to nip this little narrative of yours in the bud before you try to continue on with it:

I've had some horrifically under geared tanks in dungeons before, my favourite that springs straight to mind was one with a tank that had ~14k hp vs myself on SCH at 17.5k.. This was also back in the days of cleric stance. But despite that, it was absolutely fine, we had no deaths, the run was clean and my damage was fine. Oh and above all. It was actually really good fun.

So no, I'm of the opinion that given what little we know about events, the healer was every bit as likely to be at fault as the tank. As for why the tank got kicked and not the healer? Where they salty in chat? Did they refuse to release and run back? Who knows? Certainly not me, thus I'm not defending anyone here.