Baffling behavior

[FrogDog]

This was a treat to read as I slog my way through Praetorium.

He says he managed to do it with another group right after, and I just feel bad for that healer, especially since castrum albania is like the first leveling dungeon where tank busters are prominent and telegraphed. Hell, the last boss almost spams tank busters

[Ronduwil]

My team leaves out of range...full well seeing me stop. I die due to no heals. They explain that they believed i was pulling more. I said no problem. its okay. how do we get to the next batch and still die? we all stopped and I observe my healer doing DPS...on 3 peeps...

I get it because i'm old school. Back when I started, healers healed, tanks set the pace, and DPS DPSed. We're relics now, though. Here's how the etiquette seems to work these days:

1. Don't tank unless you're fully geared for your level.
2. When you tank, grab aggro and keep running, grabbing more mobs as you go. Don't stop until you hit a point where you can't grab any more mobs. At that point you can just chill and spam your AoEs.
3. Keep mitigation up at all times, rotating cooldowns as needed. Don't expect any healing because your healer is going to be mostly DPSing. If your healer is decent, they'll throw an emergency heal on you if you get too low.

I personally think this sucks, so I don't ever intend to tank in groups. I level my tanking classes exclusively through Squadron Command Missions, FATEs, Beast Tribe dailies, and Trusts. That's just how boomer tanks like us have to roll now.

[Tavieon]

I get it because i'm old school. Back when I started, healers healed, tanks set the pace, and DPS DPSed. We're relics now, though. Here's how the etiquette seems to work these days:

1. Don't tank unless you're fully geared for your level.
2. When you tank, grab aggro and keep running, grabbing more mobs as you go. Don't stop until you hit a point where you can't grab any more mobs. At that point you can just chill and spam your AoEs.
3. Keep mitigation up at all times, rotating cooldowns as needed. Don't expect any healing because your healer is going to be mostly DPSing. If your healer is decent, they'll throw an emergency heal on you if you get too low.

I personally think this sucks, so I don't ever intend to tank in groups. I level my tanking classes exclusively through Squadron Command Missions, FATEs, Beast Tribe dailies, and Trusts. That's just how boomer tanks like us have to roll now.

Dungeons became faceroll friendly which is why wall-to-wall became a 'standard' approach. In other words, this game(in fact, the other game too) became too easy and fast paced.

Sure, we can all adopt, I'm a boomer tank, if there's anything like that exists, as well. I do not think current trend (Wall-to-Wall) isn't too bad. But at least people need to communicate each other in a group, not enforcing what they think all over.

Especially on leveling roulette. People are still leveling, mostly, and some people you get paired with are not as geared top notch for that level nor overlevel that specific instance. You should never push those undergeard(and even learning the specific instance) people into fray.

I believe we should all blame those stupid meme video makers. Sure, they made revenue with stupid memes, healer not dpsing is a loser. But that kind of video being spread is a venom for the community. Aaaaaand.. YouTube is closing down the downvote... /facepalm

[LittleImp]

The most baffling thing here is the people turning out to white-knight on behalf of someone who is engaging in truly toxic behavior. Let's walk through this.

OP enters a party severely under-geared, including wearing equipment which doesn't even scale with his role. This is in a level 69 Dungeon, and OP has a job at 80. It's safe to assume they know better.

Upon wiping, OP takes it upon themselves to offload blame onto the healer.

The party, seeing this toxic behavior, moves to defend the healer and quickly dismisses the OP from the duty.

OP, unable to let the issue go, decides to make a public post on the forums decrying himself the victim and becomes hostile with people who are trying to point out that he was in the wrong.

Offloading blame for your mistakes onto another person is very toxic. Not only are you refusing to accept responsibility for your own oversight or shortcomings, but you're actively harming and gaslighting someone else in the process. You're attacking someone else's self-confidence for the sake of preserving your own, despite being in the wrong.

What exactly is worth defending about this situation?

[KageTokage]

The issue was twofold; you had a group expecting big pulls from a tank that was severely undergeared.

I can't say they're unjustified in wanting the tank gone because it is not fun to heal instances when you have a tank who needs to be constantly spammed with heals even during single pulls and risks being one-shot by tank busters if they're not keeping mitigation up. At the same time, though, it's not good to assume that any tank you encounter is going to default to wall to wall pulls.

It really just speaks for how horribly flawed the ilvl system is and they should be using some kind of stat weighting system instead to keep people from cheesing ilvl requirements by only upgrading the right side slots.

[Nyxs]

How about you stop blaming the healer for your laziness? Get appropriate gear and do your job instead of making strangers carry you. You cheesed yourself in then got angry at others. As as healer main,if I saw that you would of been kicked right away. I ain't doing triple the work while you make us suffer.

[Yeol]

I'm being positive and assuming that the healer couldn't heal the tank due to the tank gear being inappropriate for the duty. Not that the healer didn't want to heal the tank because of their gear.

OP explained that another healer was able to heal them through the same dungeon with the same gear. OP, not all healers have the same skill. Some will be able to heal you, others won't. It's always best to ensure that you're well geared for the content you are doing.

[Nethereal]

OP explained that another healer was able to heal them through the same dungeon with the same gear. OP, not all healers have the same skill.

It's not even a matter of skill, some pulls require you to be capped item level & have a WHM or you're going to struggle bus it.

Dungeons are leveling content, WHM has the best healing experience in leveling content because they have the highest HPS in a vacuum, dungeons pulls are the closest thing you can get to a vacuum.
WHM > Diurnal AST> SCH> Nocturnal AST

Some pulls just can't be done easily if at all with the wrong class let alone tank item level being low.

Also side note, this has nothing to do with you but with this thread.

I hate people who talk about the way something should be instead of the way it actually is: "He's got the item level set by SE to get in so by their standards he's allowed."
I don't think SE thought people would be using different class gear to avoid item level restrictions, just like I don't think they thought about how people would take off gear to get specific dungeons in roulettes.
It is so absolutely aggravating when people talk about the way something should be because someone they gave figurative authority to can't be wrong.
Acknowledge, adapt, overcome. Not winning any prizes pretending the worlds a better place than it is.

[Raven2014]

I hate people who talk about the way something should be instead of the way it actually is: "He's got the item level set by SE to get in so by their standards he's allowed."
I don't think SE thought people would be using different class gear to avoid item level restrictions, just like I don't think they thought about how people would take off gear to get specific dungeons in roulettes.

Yeah, it just goes to show the people use that argument are clueless. The system is complete garbage below lvl70. I'm rerolling on an alt while waiting for Edge and it has been hilarious. At lvl34, the best gear system want to swap out my lvl25 dungeon tank piece for a lvl31 caster piece (cloth). I thought ... maybe they just base on vit. Then when I was at lvl45, it wants to swap out my lvl44 Darkhold tank piece (which is the best tank piece for the level) for a lvl41 DPS piece from the previous dungeon. At that point I just gave up trying to understand it. And that's beside the issue like you said people can just swap gear to meet the ilvl check.


And in a way SE admitted that is an issue, that's why in later expack they locked gears into their specific classes ... but they never go back and fix it for the first half portion of the game. Unless you're 70+, saying "the game let me queue so I have enough ivl" doesn't mean squat.

[Thurmnmurmn]

I hate people who talk about the way something should be instead of the way it actually is: "He's got the item level set by SE to get in so by their standards he's allowed."
I don't think SE thought people would be using different class gear to avoid item level restrictions, just like I don't think they thought about how people would take off gear to get specific dungeons in roulettes.
It is so absolutely aggravating when people talk about the way something should be because someone they gave figurative authority to can't be wrong.
Acknowledge, adapt, overcome. Not winning any prizes pretending the worlds a better place than it is.

You got it backwards from my intentions. The fact you can do it is indeed the truth so no it's not about "the way something should be". The reason to bring it up is to actually get a solution out of this.
What's a better outcome? Berate every player who does go in under geared or ask SE to change the system so that they can't do that?