Baffling behavior

[Nethereal]

There's some huge time gap problems in the tank's story.

If I'm a DPS and pull 3 mobs I still don't die in two seconds, so I'm not sure how the tank is dying that fast.

But anyway, you can't vote kick someone until the dungeon is at least five minutes old, so something tells me more than just two botched pulls happened.

Eh you can waste a lot of time typing after those two botched pulls especially due to the nature they took.
The level 69 dungeon has a bit of distance between the pulls especially the first one. I imagine OP stopped at the first pack the group kept running for another 5-10 seconds to get to the second pack and OP was already dead by the time they realized he stopped at the first pack. Party may or may not have wiped but it probably took anywhere between 1-3 minutes just from that one pull.

OP finishes the first pull completey gets the 3 packs of mobs, dies after about 5-10 seconds, party wipes, more time wasted typing.
This particular dungeon has some fairly hard hitting mobs even by themselves and the distance between the packs is fairly large as well, you also break LoS instantly you leave the first group.
I wouldn't say it's an exaggeration that the time it took to reach complete pull was 30 seconds alone, not counting sprint. So I can totally see him dying extremely fast (with level 60 gear on & other class gear) before they even had a chance to save him.

In case anyone wants to know what this dungeon is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if_qYha2-LY

Communication through typing takes a long time, especially when people aren't being genuine.

[Floortank]

Five whole minutes on two pulls is a lot of omitted something. Whether it be... more than two pulls, more than two wipes, or lots of things said that were said in anger. You get my point.

[Kraniel]

You see 3 bad players.

I see 4.

[Edenn]

> My team leaves out of range...full well seeing me stop. I die due to no heals. They explain that they believed i was pulling more. I said no problem. its okay. how do we get to the next batch and still die? we all stopped and I observe my healer doing DPS...on 3 peeps...

I'm assuming the dungeon you mean is Castrum Abania, as you said lvl 69, but if i remember correctly, theres only one spot where you can pull more than one group at a time, the stretch of mobs in containers on the way to the last boss. Other than that, you have to pull group by group (3 peeps, as you said). Although they hit hard, it shouldn't be THIS bad for a healer. As a whm main, I can pop a regen and holy spam with a lily or two on the tank with no issues (if theyre using CDs)

Your story, at least to me, is not tracking well. Yes the mobs hit hard there, esp in the first few groups, but its more of a mitigation check than a heal check.

[Maxilor]

lvl 69

Nice.

But sorry that happened to you OP.

But like you said, they did you a favor vote kicking you and giving you a penalty free way out of that situation.

Just forget it and move on.

[Banriikku]

Hmmm,weird... missing information and mucho exaggerations.
I dont know but if i take youre post seriously then youre gear was way off, if youre just exaggerated the point then i am missing some information and it was not that bad.
Sorry but the whole thread sounds just like the normal bashing for "healers bad" or it is a hidden "tanks bad" thread. Maybe both... that would be new ....

[MirielleLavandre]

Hmm...I main tank, but when trying to see this situation from the eyes of a healer, if I were that healer and given the current fear of being reported for saying just about anything, I'd think: "Gee, first pull was probably my own fault and the dps since we assumed more than a 1 pack pull. My bad, let's try again." Next pull, I see the tank's health getting almost instantly (in OP's own words) obliterated, maybe check their gear, understand after having played forever that it isn't worthwhile to even attempt to run this dungeon with this tank, and so let them die (since I probably couldn't save him fast enough anyway) and continue to dps the pack down as much and as fast as I can so we can have all the mobs dead in order to kick him.

This is just what I kinda see could go through some healers minds (mine, included, for when I heal). Of course, none of them probably said anything and let the OP be the only one to chat, since even saying 'you need better gear' could be misconstrued lol.

[Drkdays]

This is getting redundant, but one more time (note that this is all hearsay, but that's all we've ever had):

Tank noted healer was focusing on dps and spoke up asking for heals.

The required ilv would consist of gear past lv 50 at least but likely around 60 and therefore would contain vitality if not more tank centered stats, so even if he was rocking piety instead of strength, his health would be largely unaffected and his armor would be acceptable, too, since he'd be past the point where you would see disciple of war gear that he could use. It would definitely be tank armor.

It doesn't matter how long it took for those two wipes, if they gave up after just two wipes and before the first boss. Whether they spent half an hour shouting at each other, to kick a tank before the first boss and after just two wipes is pretty lame, though I think there is something about the timer being negated after a full wipe. Not sure but it hardly matters.

In any case, I've said my piece. Tank could have been geared better but the healer could have tried harder. Vote kicking should be reserved for trolls and afks. And no, being geared imperfectly is not trolling.

That's it.

[Nethereal]

This is getting redundant, but one more time (note that this is all hearsay, but that's all we've ever had):

Tank noted healer was focusing on dps and spoke up asking for heals.

The required ilv would consist of gear past lv 50 at least but likely around 60 and therefore would contain vitality if not more tank centered stats, so even if he was rocking piety instead of strength, his health would be largely unaffected and his armor would be acceptable, too, since he'd be past the point where you would see disciple of war gear that he could use. It would definitely be tank armor.

It doesn't matter how long it took for those two wipes, if they gave up after just two wipes and before the first boss. Whether they spent half an hour shouting at each other, to kick a tank before the first boss and after just two wipes is pretty lame, though I think there is something about the timer being negated after a full wipe. Not sure but it hardly matters.

In any case, I've said my piece. Tank could have been geared better but the healer could have tried harder. Vote kicking should be reserved for trolls and afks. And no, being geared imperfectly is not trolling.

That's it.

I really don't know why your hill to die on is "They have the item level therefore nothing else matters"

There's no item level required up until Castrum at level 50. That's 12 dungeons with no item level requirement.
Do you condone people going into those dungeons naked because they meet the item level requirement, or lack thereof?

If willfully participating in a team game where you know your personal choices will bring down your teammates isn't trolling I don't know what is.
Even without the trolling a kick is warranted simply due to difference in play style. The healer couldn't, shouldn't, and didn't want to carry OP so they got kicked simple.

[Drkdays]

If willfully participating in a team game where you know your personal choices will bring down your teammates isn't trolling I don't know what is.
Even without the trolling a kick is warranted simply due to difference in play style. The healer couldn't, shouldn't, and didn't want to carry OP so they got kicked simple.

That's an awfully restrictive perspective for an MMO and for content that players are required to clear to progress. No, they don't have to play with people they don't want to play with, but it's surely poor manners to censor others who don't meet your standards. And no, queuing for content that allows you to que for it is not considered trolling.