Baffling behavior

[Nethereal]

That's an awfully restrictive perspective for an MMO and for content that players are required to clear to progress. No, they don't have to play with people they don't want to play with, but it's surely poor manners to censor others who don't meet your standards. And no, queuing for content that allows you to que for it is not considered trolling.

Kicking people below average who intentionally are making things harder than they need to be isn't restrictive at all. They're required to clear it once and OP already has a level 80, there's no excuse.
It's not bad manners at all, actually it's behavior endorsed by SE exclusively to solve player disputes in relation to in-game content that require a party, majority rules.

If it's not trolling to queue up to a level 47 dungeon naked why is it bad manners then to kick said person? I mean if you're allowed to do it simply for the fact that you can do it what's the difference between the two?

[Drkdays]

intentionally

And was he "intentionally" making things harder? Sure doesn't seem so. Seems like he was given one single chance and it seems like he never got the healer's full attention for either wipe.

There was no dispute either, no debating mentioned, just a quick dismissal without explanation. It's only from OP's honest admissions that it can be perceived that he was under geared.

You call that trolling?

And have you ever seen someone que for Aurum Vale naked? I doubt it. Have you ever seen someone doing a lv 69 dungeon in lv 60 gear? Probably if you've played this game very long.

[Rinhi]

and as it's been posted before, the tank clearly cheesed his ilvl with healer and dps pieces while the left sided pieces were far below the ilvl required
it's not the parties' job to enable this kind of behaviour and carry them throughout a dungeon they aren't geared for, kind of a shame that the other group did it, maybe if they had done the same the OP wouldn't have felt compelled to hate on/complain about the first group and realized that it's his own responsibility to be geared well for the content and not the responsibility of everyone else
personal responsibility goes a long way, tbh

[Merrnryn]

I have been seeing this more and more as of late. That and random's purposefully killing dragoons to perpetuate the meme... then laughing over it.

[Izscha]

Never trust one complaining about others behavior anywhere that's just the golden rule.
You can listen to it, but ppl will ALWAYS make stuff so that if they have done anything wrong they will talk the less about it and shift the focus on others and what they did.
If op was honest he would not have done this thread to begin with, you cant complain being melted when you use the wrong accessories to cheat your way into a dungeon that everyone do know that it requires a bit of stuff to not get obliterate each single xpac.
Ilvl 270 is sh*t for 67-69 dungeons. Ilvl 400 is shit for 77-79 dungeons ilvl 130 is shit for 57-59 dungeons, anyone who has played this game de know this.
Even got some stuff like lvl 65 one that hits like a truck.

[Drkdays]

Ya'll sound like high schoolers laughing at dumb jokes at your locker between classes.

No it's not trolling to disagree with you (I feel like I have to say that a lot and it makes me fear for humanity)

Yes, tank was under geared. You don't have to keep pointing it out each time like it's a game changing revelation, we know.

Yes, the tank was clearly struggling and new (to tanking,at least), this is not grounds to kick him. Please refer to recently updated ToS.

No running in the halls!

Again, based on everything op said, the group made little effort to even try going forward with him, especially the healer if what he says is true (which I assume, since there's no way to know otherwise.)

Which is why I brought up the double standards in healing. I'm continually reading from healers that they want to heal but can't because it's to easy to top off and maintain players, yet this healer seems to have demonstrated the slippery slope healers are on by apparently deciding that ultimately dps and speed were more important than healing,as demonstrated by racing ahead of the tank causing his first death and, by the tanks word, spending too much time dpsing when healing was needed, and finally agreeing to kick an under geared tank in favor of a potentially more geared tank to make healing and dpsing easier and the run faster. The moment the team faced adversity, they ruthlessly and wordlesly culled the tank. Bad form.

They had the right to vote kick him, same as any party has the right to vote kick anyone, and OP has the right to contend it.

[Nethereal]

Yes, the tank was clearly struggling and new, this is not grounds to kick him. Please refer to recently updated ToS.

I'm still lost SE allows anyone to kick anyone for any reason, that fact alone is grounds alone to kick anyone for any or no reason, because SE allows it. If it was against ToS they wouldn't allow it.

Am I missing something here? I mean at this point who cares about OP how could SE allow him to get kicked OP did nothing wrong OP was allowed in the dungeon.

[Drkdays]

I'm still lost SE allows anyone to kick anyone for any reason, that fact alone is grounds alone to kick anyone for any or no reason, because SE allows it. If it was against ToS they wouldn't allow it.

Am I missing something here?

Yes, you are.

[Nethereal]

Yes, you are.

Sorry I had to update my previous post because this is all so confusing. Can you review it again?

[Drkdays]

Sorry I had to update my previous post because this is all so confusing. Can you review it again?

Well, it can be simply explained by refering to your tag there. Actually you DO have to be mindful of other players in 14. You can't just baselessly boot other players for your own, personal reasons. You have to be able to justify it if the person your group kicks feels offended enough to complain to a GM, and according to the recent ToS updates, discriminating against another player based on play style, even very poor play style, is a big no no, which is essentially what happened to OP.