Baffling behavior

[Lexis]

Sounds like you skipped over conversation. Min ilv for a duty required was noted as was his death to a single pack of mobs, as was the healer pushing dps when he and others were low health.

Please. Read. The. Previous. Comments.

I have repeated this so many times because people can't be bothered to read it :/ The OP's gear was so low for the duty that their HP would absolutely MELT (by the OP's own admission, this is not me or anyone else making assumptions). They died twice because the only way to keep them alive through single pulls was to pre-cast heals and then spam those green buttons like there's no tomorrow. And, the cherry on the sundae, the OP then lashed out at the HEALER for not having the split second timing to heal their severely undergeared derrière through the entire dungeon. And in case you skipped over that, they were tanking with healing and DPS trinkets, so they only met the Minimum Ilvl by cheating the system with gear that contributes very little towards their tanking stats.

If you acknowledge and understand all of the above and still believe OP was in the right and the healer was at fault, then let's just say we don't agree on what constitutes proper dungeon etiquette and leave it at that.

[Drkdays]

I said no problem. its okay. how do we get to the next batch and still die?

Please. Read. The. Previous. Comments.

Healer fell asleep that second pull, did he?

These double standards kill me.

"Healers just want to heal! I wish all I had to do was heal, but the game won't let me! Game doesn't give heals anything to do! Even low level dungeons are nothing but downtime. They must think all healers are knuckleheads! We dps 90% of every pull!"

*Tank dies*

"He had the item level but his trinkets were wrong. It wasn't the healer's fault. He shoulda pulled more. He shoulda pulled less. He didn't use rampart, of course he died every pull. He should have discussed how he was going to tank. Healer are supposed to dps, brah! If the tank was too weak to allow healers to dps then the tank is bad!"

Conclusion: Healers can do no wrong in FF14.

[Lexis]

Healer fell asleep that second pull?

These double standards kill me.

"Healers just want to heal! Game doesn't give heals anything to do! Even low level dungeons are nothing but downtime. They must think all healers are knuckleheads! We dps 90% of every pull!"

*Tank dies*

"He had the item level but his trinkets were wrong. It wasn't the healer's fault. He should pulled more. he shoulda pulled less. He didn't use rampart, of course he died every pull."

Conclusion: Healer can do no wrong in FF14.

/facepalm.

I tried. You're not even reading the few sentences I typed out. I give up. Believe what you will. :/

[Drkdays]

/facepalm.

I tried. You're not even reading the few sentences I typed out. I give up. Believe what you will. :/

Yes I did. I'm not illiterate, I just think you're wrong. From everything I've read, the healer dropped the ball and blamed the tank. Tank blaming is way easier than healer blaming because the tank already has so much responsibility. If the tank dies, he was too weak, or he pulled badly, or he didn't use C/Ds, or he failed mechanics, etc... it could never be the healer's fault, right? Healer couldn't have known to use shields, or hots, or aoe stun, or even rescue. It was just the tank's failure.

For the first death, sure, a simple mistake. They all ran ahead and the tank floundered. Np, just as he said. It happens. But that second death? When the healer has had a chance to view gear, and plan ahead at least a bit, and he still died?

C'mon now. Even the wrong accessories have vitality on them.

[Lexis]

Yes I did. I'm not illiterate, I just think you're wrong. From everything I've read, the healer dropped the ball and blamed the tank. Tank blaming is way easier than healer blaming because the tank already has so much responsibility. If the tank dies, he was too weak, or he pulled badly, or he didn't use C/Ds, or he failed mechanics, etc... it could never be the healer's fault, right? Healer couldn't have known to use shields, or hots, or aoe stun, or even rescue. It was just the tank's failure.

For the first death, sure, a simple mistake. They all ran ahead and the tank floundered. Np, just as he said, but that second death? When the healer has had a chance to view gear, and plan ahead at least a bit, and he still died?

C'mon now. Even the wrong accessories have vitality on them.

Except, from the OP'S OWN ACCOUNT, they died in 2 seconds (I'm personally inclined to believed it was more like 4-5). The tank also didn't pop any mitigation going into the pull, knowing full well how quickly they would die as they had previously witnessed in the initial snafu of miscommunication. And after all that, instead of apologizing for being Severely Undergeared for the content they just queued for and knowingly making everyone miserable in doing so, they went ahead and berated the healer for 'not healing'.

Yes, the healer could have pre-cast healing and spammed cure II (or the AST/SCH equivalent) instead of trying to sneak in a DPS spell, but at this point it's glaringly obvious that the primary issue here is the tank. Why does it fall on the healer to not only pick up his slack but also deal with the condescending remarks? This is where 'dungeon etiquette' comes in: Don't make people carry you and especially don't throw a fit when they decline to do so.

[Seera1024]

Yes I did. I'm not illiterate, I just think you're wrong. From everything I've read, the healer dropped the ball and blamed the tank. Tank blaming is way easier than healer blaming because the tank already has so much responsibility. If the tank dies, he was too weak, or he pulled badly, or he didn't use C/Ds, or he failed mechanics, etc... it could never be the healer's fault, right? Healer couldn't have known to use shields, or hots, or aoe stun, or even rescue. It was just the tank's failure.

For the first death, sure, a simple mistake. They all ran ahead and the tank floundered. Np, just as he said. It happens. But that second death? When the healer has had a chance to view gear, and plan ahead at least a bit, and he still died?

C'mon now. Even the wrong accessories have vitality on them.

Could it be you know both parties' fault?

The OP was clearly undergeared. That's on the OP for not making sure he was properly geared and if he truly hadn't noticed, should have been more apologetic about it - based on replies, I don't think he was apologetic or taking any responsibility for why things happened the way they did.

The healer should have stuck with the tank like glue after the first wipe if the OP truly was dropping in "2 seconds"

Without having the chat, it's hard to say who has the most fault as attitudes towards things can make someone who wouldn't be as much at fault more at fault by making a mountain out of a molehill.

The fact that the OP hasn't even acknowledged that he was partly to blame for how things went down due to him being under-geared and how he's responded to players pointing that out, leads me to believe that possibly the OP has more blame than the healer in this instance. But everyone has their breaking point and for the OP maybe being kicked was his and he was fine in his replies in game. Without the chat, it's a he said, she said.

[Sebazy]

Healer fell asleep that second pull, did he?

These double standards kill me.

"Healers just want to heal! I wish all I had to do was heal, but the game won't let me! Game doesn't give heals anything to do! Even low level dungeons are nothing but downtime. They must think all healers are knuckleheads! We dps 90% of every pull!"

*Tank dies*

"He had the item level but his trinkets were wrong. It wasn't the healer's fault. He shoulda pulled more. He shoulda pulled less. He didn't use rampart, of course he died every pull. He should have discussed how he was going to tank. Healer are supposed to dps, brah! If the tank was too weak to allow healers to dps then the tank is bad!"

Conclusion: Healers can do no wrong in FF14.

Yikes, you really do despise healers don't you. It might be worth seeking some help for that tbh.

[Drkdays]

Yikes, you really do despise healers don't you. It might be worth seeking some help for that tbh.

What an odd thing to say. I love healing classes and find it the most thrilling and challenging thing you can do. So much personal responsibility! Not towards the dungeons so much as towards the party. If the tank dies, naturally it can be attributed to how they perform, and yes, gear, but his life is always in the healer's hands.

I have a lot of respect for anyone who plays a healer, which comes with a correspondingly high set of standards.

I read so many complaints about how healers have it too easy, but this healer totally failed to rise to the challenge, and worse, apparently just gave up even trying.

Imagine defending a healer that voted out a tank, however unimpressively geared, who was apparently still willing to try, before the first boss.

What a total lack of confidence, competence, empathy, and job ethic. Seems like he just wanted to go fast and focus on dps.

Of course OP was baffled. That's hardly the standard expected of FF14 healers. It should be heals/team support > dps.

Again, I have no issues with healers dpsing, but not at the cost of even trying to support a struggling tank.

[Raven2014]

Imagine defending a healer that voted out a tank, however unimpressively geared, who was apparently still willing to try, before the first boss.

What a total lack of confidence, competence, empathy, and job ethic. Seems like he just wanted to go fast and focus on dps.

Of course OP was baffled. That's hardly the standard expected of FF14 healers. It should be heals/team support > dps.

Again, I have no issues with healers dpsing, but not at the cost of even trying to support a struggling tank.

Eh ... reach much? You're making it sound like he's someone diligent trying his best while the fact he doesn't try at all.

- If he was truly trying, he wouldn't enter a dungeon 10 level behind in gears. We don't call that unimpressive, we call that irresponsible.

- He proudly claimed he hasn't master "hyperspeed" in mocking of others asking why he doesn't pop his CD. Yet he has no problem accusing of healer not doing the same thing for him. This shows he's pretty entitled and hardly a team player.

Usually when someone being a snowflake coming to this forum crying about their experience, it's hard not to be skeptical about their claim. But at the very least if to be taken at face value, the one sided story would often make the creator looks good. Yet this tank story is so bad that he already makes himself look bad without even skepticism, make me wonder how bad the original version of the story would be. You're trying to make it sound like he's a victim of unfair treatment, I would say it was the party that was his victim, and not just the healer. That's why the "party" (not the healer) kicked him.

This is not a story of a tank died becaus the healer prefer to dps instead of heal, god know I've been on the wrong side of that problem so many time. This is the story of a tank coming into a dungeon wholly unprepared and got pissed because other does not meet the standards he does not hold himself to.

[Sebazy]

What an odd thing to say. I love healing classes and find it the most thrilling and challenging thing you can do. So much personal responsibility! Not towards the dungeons so much as towards the party. If the tank dies, naturally it can be attributed to how they perform, and yes, gear, but his life is always in the healer's hands.

I have a lot of respect for anyone who plays a healer, which comes with a correspondingly high set of standards.

I read so many complaints about how healers have it too easy, but this healer totally failed to rise to the challenge, and worse, apparently just gave up even trying.

Imagine defending a healer that voted out a tank, however unimpressively geared, who was apparently still willing to try, before the first boss.

What a total lack of confidence, competence, empathy, and job ethic. Seems like he just wanted to go fast and focus on dps.

Of course OP was baffled. That's hardly the standard expected of FF14 healers. It should be heals/team support > dps.

Again, I have no issues with healers dpsing, but not at the cost of even trying to support a struggling tank.

Lol.

I'm not defending anyone in this episode as it's just all too vague. This entire post is just a teetering stack of assumptions that really don't add up. I can't tell who really knows what happened in there, but I can tell you who doesn't. Us.

But go on, you side with your tank buddy. Those nasty healers deserve to be kicked back into the pockets they climbed out of right?

Your talk is nothing but lies, falsehoods and poison. That goes for here and in the healer forums as well.