Small rant about certain toxic WoW refugee behaviour

[lezard21]

you're playing on crystal

Wow bad ff good is practically a mandatory Crystal RP thing, so I wouldn't pay too much mind to it

[Breakbeat]

Your reply went to weird places.

Yeah, like the core of the issue. Such a weird place to go.

OP's "sensational headline" and half of the nonsense garbage we read in the media daily are one and the same. Overlooking delusional day-to-day behavior is at the core of the issue.

When I see this nonsense, I call it out. If that makes me weird, so be it.

[Breakbeat]

One can absolutely bring WoW into the equation when the offender brought up WoW. Also the WoW community is a toxic cesspool. It is one of the absolute worst communities I have ever been a part of. Stop defending it. They don't deserve a defense.

You don't know "the WoW community" in its entirety, you have absolutely zero authority to label it as such, and the "WoW community" varies from person to person anyway.

Example?

I spent twenty-four thousand hours in WoW, never had anyone on an ignore list, and got in disagreements with perhaps fewer than a dozen folks over all those hours... over all those years. That's because I was kind, friendly, and surrounded myself with good people. Ran a socially active guild that always had somewhere around 200 active members, and very few requirements to join, which means that (get this) the "community" actually joined my guild pretty much at will. The only thing we didn't allow were names against the ToS, so those were the only people I declined - ever.

I believe I removed three people over the years (out of thousands that came and went) for "toxicity" after they'd already joined.

What community were you surrounding yourself with? Surely wasn't the same one I was in. Explain to me how the hell I drove around this "minefield" of a toxic community, day in and day out, doing donuts and burnouts and covering every possible square inch of that minefield - for twelve years - and hit so very few mines, with zero major damage (no ignore list)?

Whereas people like yourself take two steps left or two steps right on the same minefield, and get "blown up" by toxicity twelve times. The only variables are you and me. Hmmm.... think deep on that one. And in the meantime, please - pretty please - have some respect for the normal, decent people that play(ed) WoW.

I might as well ask what state you are from and then go on to label that state's inhabitants as a cesspool and toxic and horrible. So, that'd include you, your siblings, your parents, your children and children's children, your entire family, any teachers that were good to you, co-workers you like or love, anyone in that state you love, anyone in that state you've known to be good, true, honest, and positive.

Cesspool, all of 'em. Toxic. Horrible.

Mhmm, makes sense. That's very close to 'all these people are terrorists,' or 'all those people are thugs.' No defending your state, now! You and I are equals so if I have to accept your nonsense labels, you're obligated to accept mine.

It's maddening to me that people try to express knowledge of some group of millions of people - having only interacted with some dozens, hundreds, or even thousands, and gathering the rest of what they know from Twitter (hearsay), Reddit (hearsay and gross speculation) and Twitch streams. It's a huge downfall sociologically that we do this, because it's asinine nonsense. "All Americans," and "all democrats" and "all (sexuality)" and "all (race)" ... and indeed "all (game) players" act this way or that or want the same things or feel the same way.

Don't you have any grasp of the infinite? We are infinitely different as individuals.

@RecoveryPotion... you get my point now? Thinking like this is nonsensical.

[Zsolen]

It's best not to generalize people in such a manner.

[Izscha]

It's a meme at this point, and a good chunk of FF XIV players ARE wow players aswell, or were and now join the bandwagon and start to hate on it.
There is no FF XIV without WoW either.
Tribalism over MMOs is so old but still so funny to this day, and seeing how much ppl in this game love to start drama, makings gdocs to plunder one another etc, i do get why you must label others as the monsters, because it's easier to look away than to admit that every games got its lot of terrible individuals, FF is no exception and you're delusionnal if you do think that.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Man, it lives rent free in y'alls heads, don't it?

Game tribalism is stupid, XIV community is just as much of a toxic cesspool - we're just a passive aggressive lot compared to blatantly aggressive. Which frankly, I consider a lot more insidious and disturbing.

A player from WoW acting like an idiot isn't any worse than a player from XIV acting like an idiot. An idiot's an idiot, no matter what game they came from or started with. Trying to paint it as WoW bad XIV good just makes you come off like a child.

[Canadane]

There's no such thing as early pulling hunt marks.
But trash talking and etc is a violation and can be reported if you are offended by it.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Man, it lives rent free in y'alls heads, don't it?

Game tribalism is stupid, XIV community is just as much of a toxic cesspool - we're just a passive aggressive lot compared to blatantly aggressive. Which frankly, I consider a lot more insidious and disturbing.

A player from WoW acting like an idiot isn't any worse than a player from XIV acting like an idiot. An idiot's an idiot, no matter what game they came from or started with. Trying to paint it as WoW bad XIV good just makes you come off like a child.

Couldn’t have said it any better myself about the passive aggressive problem and yeah i’d agree it’s way worse as at least the wow stigma is more up in your face rather than behind your back.

[Reinha]

Separately, in Final Fantasy XIV, player communities may have their own specific set of loosely established rules and guidelines, which involve their own manners, morals, and etiquette. These community-specific rules and guidelines are not officially established as a unified set of rules for the entire community, so they may differ from one community to another. What may be acceptable in one community may be objectionable in another.

If there is a situation in which a person repeatedly says or does something that can be judged as intentionally trying to disrupt the peace, such as "intentionally ignoring the community-specific rules and guidelines while being aware of them" or "unwilling to learn of them," a report can be made. If we determine that the behavior falls under our prohibited actions, a penalty will be imposed.

Each data center will also be judged based on the social customs of that data center's region in the real world.

Does that not apply?

[Jojoya]

Just wanted to share my concern and annoyance with you guys and if you've had similar experiences or not.

Theres this guy on light datacenter that keeps early pulling hunts. Then he just trashtalks everyone and saying bad thing about the FFXIV community.
And when I messaged him to ask why he does this he just says that WoW is better and hes only here to raid when endwalker comes anyway so he doesn't care people blacklist him.

I know early pulls have always been a thing now and then. But this guy is taking it to another level of toxic.
Also I'm aware it's not a bannable offense.

I hope you realize you're no better than he is. You're targeting him because he used to be a WoW player. That is pretty darn toxic of you.

Early pulls have nothing to do with WoW. Trash talking has nothing to do with WoW. Those are actions of an individual and plenty of players have done both in this game without ever having played WoW.

Verbal harassment is a reportable offense. Try reporting it. If the player is as bad as you say, SE will end up banning him and then he won't be bothering your community anymore.