Small rant about certain toxic WoW refugee behaviour

[Gullis]

Report and move on. Just don't trashtalk back, as that will only make things worse

[Sotaris]

No need to bring WoW into it at all.

b-but wow bad! or something.

One can absolutely bring WoW into the equation when the offender brought up WoW. Also the WoW community is a toxic cesspool. It is one of the absolute worst communities I have ever been a part of. Stop defending it. They don't deserve a defense.

I'm so sick of hearing this. Like all communities they have some bad apples, even if WoW has many bad apples but no way does it mean everyone playing wow or have played wow are toxic players.

And on the other hand, FFXIV community or the dev team doesn't need defending but you see that all the time, and is encouraged by some here.

[Aron73]

No need to bring WoW into it at all. You're having problems with another human, full stop. Whether or not they played WoW in the past is as significant as their favorite flavor of ice cream or their race.

Change your title and see the effect. It's the same problem media has these days, and it's bad. What do I mean?

"MAN CALLS POLICE ON OTHER MAN LOITERING IN THE PARK" - Not sensational. Who gives a crap if a man called the cops on another man? No one. But...
"WHITE MAN CALLS POLICE ON BLACK MAN LOITERING IN THE PARK" - Now it's sensational. Now the title insinuates racism. Nevermind that white and black interact all day every day, and sometimes that interaction will be to call the police. This is an attempt to sensationalize, fearmonger, and sell papers / website subs.

Okay now.

"Small rant about certain player behaviour" - Not sensational. Players interact all day, every day and sometimes the interaction will be negative. Normal. Standard.
"Small rant about certain toxic WoW refugee behaviour". - Sensationalism. See previous.

No one cares what game they played before, smart people see the attempt to paint WoW in a bad light via the 'sensational headline'. And if you look at media headlines and actually let the irrelevant, sensational parts affect your opinion of other humans... that ain't good.

Human interacts with human. Not 'WoW-playing XYZ human interacts with FFXIV-playing ABCDEFG human.' None of that other stuff matters.

This is so true! I'm a former wow player, and yes, I used to enjoy wow hell; I would not have played it if I did not enjoy it. Did that make me a bad person for enjoying a game with a toxic community? Is my sister, mother, father, and best friend bad people for enjoying that game?
Better yet is the entire FF14 dev. Team bad people because Yoshi-P told them all to play wow to learn from it?
I'm trying to say that there are bad players in every single game out there, including FF14. I'm sure you all remember how people were treating Asmongold when he started to play FF14 and got banned for it.
So yes, stop adding the game they use to play to a bad person. I would rather know his or her name so I can Black list them in beforehand.

[Sotaris]

This is so true! I'm a former wow player, and yes, I used to enjoy wow hell; I would not have played it if I did not enjoy it. Did that make me a bad person for enjoying a game with a toxic community? Is my sister, mother, father, and best friend bad people for enjoying that game?
Better yet is the entire FF14 dev. Team bad people because Yoshi-P told them all to play wow to learn from it?
I'm trying to say that there are bad players in every single game out there, including FF14. I'm sure you all remember how people were treating Asmongold when he started to play FF14 and got banned for it.
So yes, stop adding the game they use to play to a bad person. I would rather know his or her name so I can Black list them in beforehand.

According to some gatekeepers in the FFXIV community, like Reap00 -- Yes

[Ronduwil]

This is so true! I'm a former wow player, and yes, I used to enjoy wow hell; I would not have played it if I did not enjoy it. Did that make me a bad person for enjoying a game with a toxic community? Is my sister, mother, father, and best friend bad people for enjoying that game?

To be fair, the game did not always have a toxic community. Prior to Cataclysm, their policies, like the ones in FFXIV, seemed to favor socialization and camaraderie. After WotLK, they decided that the game needed to exclusively reward elitists at everyone else's expense. Their shift in attitude began with Ghostcrawler's "Dungeons are hard" blog post, and they've kept doubling down on that position ever since. The community gradually turned toxic over ten years of policies that rewarded toxicity and penalized tolerance.

[DBriggs304]

Again, WoW wasn't always the trash can community that it can be now, but I suspect that's about to change as they sound like they are about to start enforcing the rules they should have been 10 years ago before the community went south.

It's not all WoW players but you run into more unpleasant folks now than pleasant ones. But it did seem to be improving when I last played.

[Shin96]

Toxicity has become such a blanket category wherein anything that's opposing to popular belief is called toxicity. A few bad words mean absolutely nothing; our dear developers have provided us the blacklist option and censoring of slur words. Make use of them, everything else is a people issue.

I prefer having the right to say what I think, even if that gives someone else the right to say something bad about me. Toxicity is not an argument to double down and tape people's mouths because someone is offended over something highly specific. Sometimes even out of context admittedly; we don't know.

If I start taking seriously all the things I have been called in life, I should be hanging from a noose by now. Surround yourself with like-minded people if it helps.

[Izscha]

Surround yourself with like-minded people if it helps.

They do and that's exactly why so much are so thin skinned.

[LittleImp]

Early pulling hunts isn't unique to WoW refugees. The Hunt community has, for many years, been populated by some of the most bizarre players the community has to offer. There have been hunt sniping wars between servers for years, long before the big WoW influx.

The Hunt community is a bit like the BA community; Both are fairly casual pieces of content that allow clout-chasers to assume a position of influence over other people trying to access the content due to their format. This stuff really came to the surface when Cross-World originally dropped; A bunch of the weird hunt power-tripper types came out of the woodwork to whine about their influence decreasing. the old 'hunt captain' of one server I played on used to run around spamming in shout chat "THE INVADERS ARE COMING" any time a cross-server train came to our server lol. I think he started going to other servers and sniping their hunts in "retaliation".

Come to think of it, I've actually seen more drama in the hunt community than in the raiding community, which is funny considering the otherwise extremely low stakes of hunts.

[Bacent]

I could name people from back in the 2.X days that were hunt trolls and did everything they could with their friends to ruin it for others (One warrior, 6 ninjas, one white mage. Stupid high aggro building/boss moving and resetting). This is literally nothing new. Just report and move on.