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    Taranok's Avatar
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    Arilaya Syldove
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    Brynhildr
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Grimoire-M View Post
    I disagree with this assessment only because the job really hasn't altered the AI in a significant manner throughout its lifetime, just how we interface with it. Because of this it is not only reasonable, but expected that when we encounter any significant period of downtime with new Summoner we are left vulnerable to a situation where you have two back to back ghosting instances, specifically Summon Egi Avatar into Devotion into Summon Bahamut/Phoenix. It's a big reason I want at least Bahamut to remain as an oGCD so you can space it out with a lateweave. Even if the avatars had to remain a GCD in that situation you could space it out with Avatar -> Ruin IV (early weave Devotion) -> Ruin II (Lateweave Bahamut) at worst. It could be worse than that but SE doesn't let you use back to back Avatars unless you have zero Attunement stacks. Whether it's even worth spending your last stack on each phase remains to be seen, but the likely scenario this is a problem in only needs about...12 seconds of downtime? It's really small and clunky.

    Functionally back to back Avatars and new Devotion is the exact same ghosting issue we have with current Devotion on Carbuncle, apart from the lack of auto-attacks -maybe- making it more responsive. I'm not expecting that to actually work as intended. I am expecting to need to early-weave it to account for GCD Bahamut as the current opener late-weaves both to intentionally avoid this problem. I can say that because that's how little SE is willing to change things regarding pets. Demi-Egi took three expansions to get Egi Auto attacks added to their rotation. If the Avatars were at least oGCD I think they would be way better, though that comes at a potency cost most people really don't want to accept. I think the flexibility and downtime gains outweigh it enough to matter.
    The difference is you presumably can just straight up skip entire minor summon phases. Most of the damage is in the Demis, and the problem with pet interaction is that, having not changed it, clipping things because the pet wants to do something else and is on cooldown is a problem I will never tolerate when that pet has important abilities on it. It sucks having to cast aetherpact, wait for the pet to finally be ready to cast the buff, and have to delay other mechanics because it's powdering its nose.

    Or, to put it another way, the average PPS of both ifrit and garuda is about 184 and 187 per second at current known potency values. Titan is at closer to 200 or 220 and is a definite outlier. Ruin 3 is a paltry 124. So as long as you're not dumping the minor summons for more ruin 3s, there isn't a problem in downtime clipping it. Provided you also can go into a demi phase.

    Expounding further, short of critical buffs dropping due to a boss intermission, such as Huton, AF/UI, BotD, GL and such, every class sees a reset with intermission that usually turns into a new reopener, with some classes (BLM, NIN) potentially getting hit much harder than others (SAM), especially going into EW. And given how the minors are trying to fill out your basic rotation anyways as a theoretically baseline filler of mostly equal abilities, seeing your basic rotation reset isn't going to be that big a concern if you have to throw away an avatar or not. Iterating, provided you can throw it away, since you can do a pretty heavy burst by immediately summoning one like Garuda, then drop into your demi phase. Again, provided you can.

    Because of this, it's not actually identical to the current egi system. Reiterating, provided you can straight up skip the minor summons and go straight into a demi during one to keep everything aligned. They don't want you alphadropping all 3 minor summons in 3 GCDs but I'd be very surprised if you also couldn't interrupt a minor to go into a major.
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    Last edited by Taranok; 10-26-2021 at 05:22 PM.