Can SQ-EN draw a line in the sand w/ 3rd Parties?

[Sotaris]

The thing is, other WoW streamers seem to have done their homework before jumping into FF14 raiding (at least the ones I've seen) and they didn't go in it with their WoW mentality and relying on programs. Now a real question: Do WoW raiders use programs for their first clears too, when the raid is till new?

I haven't raided in wow in over a decade but I would be surprised if people are not using DBM for progression, which isn't a program - it's a addon.

I see. I personally think that using a program (especially for progression) takes away so much from the experience, and while to each their own, I really hope this doesn't become the norm in FF14 raiding.

I don't think it will. I wouldn't be worried. Those who use it fair play. It doesn't take anything away or make them cheaters imo. Those who don't use it, also fair. You do you.

[Eien713]

I haven't raided in wow in over a decade but I would be surprised if people are not using DBM for progression, which isn't a program - it's a addon.

I see. I personally think that using a program (especially for progression) takes away so much from the experience, and while to each their own, I really hope this doesn't become the norm in FF14 raiding.

[TheRealQuah]

I see. I personally think that using a program (especially for progression) takes away so much from the experience, and while to each their own, I really hope this doesn't become the norm in FF14 raiding.

Don't use them myself, and I don't know anyone who does, but it literally doesn't matter at all. If people want to make it easier for themselves then they can, it does not affect you or anyone else whatsoever.

Other people clearing with addons does not take away from your achievement whatsoever, and I'd hazard that anyone who is complaining about people who clear with addons, are the people who aren't actually good enough to clear the content themselves at all and are salty that other people can.

I will add to this:

• Your raid leader can make mistakes.
• Your raid leader cannot give your entire party individual callouts per your role in the mechanic.
• Your raid leader cannot give you callouts faster than the mechanic's in-game visual cues or with zero delay.

Stop rationalizing it and own it. You're using it to make the game easier.

Take it you've never seen Rin shot call or seen any of the recent Ultimate clears that Limit Max has done. Those guys straight up do give individual callouts to every member, for 15 minutes straight with no mistakes. Or what about the many parties who have a 9th man, that specifically does nothing but do the above things?

[LittleImp]

Take it you've never seen Rin shot call or seen any of the recent Ultimate clears that Limit Max has done. Those guys straight up do give individual callouts to every member, for 15 minutes straight with no mistakes. Or what about the many parties who have a 9th man, that specifically does nothing but do the above things?

I must have missed the part where Rin shadow-cloned himself 7 times and individually simultaneously explained everyone's mechanics with a ~1ms delay from the point his client received the packet.

Cactbot will never be comparable to traditional shot-calling, no matter how far people stretch their logic. It's a piece of third party software which fundamentally automates an important element of a fights execution. Even if you had a perfect shotcaller, that person is still a human element of the team who is having to execute on a skill they've practiced.

I'd hazard that anyone who is complaining about people who clear with addons, are the people who aren't actually good enough to clear the content themselves at all and are salty that other people can.

There are plenty of folks in the high-end community that look down on Cactbot. It's just not a hill many of them are willing to openly die on, because as many have said it doesn't matter that much and it's usage has become increasingly widespread.

[Nethereal]

There are plenty of folks in the high-end community that look down on Cactbot.

Nothing worse than getting 10-15 minutes deep into an ultimate and someones ACT/Cacbot stops working and suddenly the entire run is over.
And then they admit to it, nah fam just say you flunked or something unless your ACT started calling mechs out over the mic(which was a big issue for one of my groups because 2 people had 2 ACTs calling out mech's in perfect alex and both were wrong) I don't want to know you can't do this fight without it..

I think calling it a cheat is a bit of a stretch considering thousands of players kill content without it on a daily basis, and the people killing the content first are 99.9% doing it without it.

I agree with your entire post except this particular part. Flawed logic imo.

This is similar to using a times table on a math test. Sure you can do the math without it but it'll be more challenging and take longer. Just because you or someone else can do it without it does not mean the act itself stops being "cheating".