Can SQ-EN draw a line in the sand w/ 3rd Parties?

[Jojoya]

The only reason I don't have a clear is because I haven't taken the time to do so, busy with life at the moment.

An d the whole prestige behind ultimate is its difficult. When you turn around and sell that, its just money, not difficulty.

If you're only after something for perceived prestige, then it's devalued every time someone else has it whether they bought a clear or not.

If you're after it for the sake of personal challenge and satisfaction, the value never diminishes.

[SamSmoot]

This sounds like the DBM addon in WoW, which gives countdown bar graphs to mechanics, but no positioning suggestions that I know of. Didn't know this was possible in FF.

So, if we're going for no hints of upcoming mechanics, we may as well get rid of the orange telegraph markers on the floor. No advance warning at all, other than cast bars, boss movements, and sounds to tell you where to be at any time.

[Packetdancer]

So, if we're going for no hints of upcoming mechanics, we may as well get rid of the orange telegraph markers on the floor. No advance warning at all, other than cast bars, boss movements, and sounds to tell you where to be at any time.

Honestly, in savage et al, a great many of the mechanics do lack the orange telegraphs; you're expected to watch other things—boss attack animations, sounds, cast bars, etc. (And if there's a mechanic that does have the orange telegraph, it comes well after other tells; by the time the telegraph is up, it's probably too late to dodge it.)

So... everything else aside, while I stand by my earlier statements about how I don't care that much if other folks use Cactbot (provided it doesn't hinder my own experience of content), that "no orange telegraph markers" is kind of where a lot of higher-end content is at.

[grinkdaboy]

who cares if it gives call outs

it's still on you, the player, to properly execute mechanics. it won't do that for you

[ElenaRedoran]

The thing is, other WoW streamers seem to have done their homework before jumping into FF14 raiding (at least the ones I've seen) and they didn't go in it with their WoW mentality and relying on programs. Now a real question: Do WoW raiders use programs for their first clears too, when the raid is till new?

lmao good luck doing an ultimate raid without doing your homework?? ACT isn't going to make it so you can ignore actually learning the fight.

how many people that complain about cactbot being a thing has actually killed any of these bosses? always seems like it's people that haven't bothered even trying

[Neoyoshi]

I feel like these things can just be ignored; no one really needs these programs to clear high-end content anyway, as every FFXIV encounter, even the Ultimate's- are a "dance" that people just have to learn, and once you learn that dance, it becomes about practicing that dance until you know every step down to the second. Then the person just has to be decent at their class they are playing.

All these programs are, are over-complicated "Peter Meters" - which those who use it send to a database so they can all measure each other. (I'm not kidding about the database)

This is the mentality Yoshi-P is against, and while he's outlines how he feels about the programs themselves in various videos and interviews, his stance as been made clear, he doesn't want players to bully each other over something as trivial as numbers.

So far, he has pleaded to the community to simply not use them, and that using them can jeopardies that person's account.

[ElenaRedoran]

All these programs are, are over-complicated "Peter Meters" - which those who use it send to a database so they can all measure each other. (I'm not kidding about the database)

This is the mentality Yoshi-P is against, and while he's outlines how he feels about the programs themselves in various videos and interviews, his stance as been made clear, he doesn't want players to bully each other over something as trivial as numbers.
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Agree about the first point regarding ultimates, but I wouldn't call the meters and logging over-complicated at all. It takes pressing "Upload log" in a client to do that, and then you can analyze and see exactly what happened during your pulls rather than just guessing it.
also, https://www.fflogs.com/character/jp/...hi%27p%20sampo

[Eien713]

lmao good luck doing an ultimate raid without doing your homework?? ACT isn't going to make it so you can ignore actually learning the fight.

how many people that complain about cactbot being a thing has actually killed any of these bosses? always seems like it's people that haven't bothered even trying

How would you even know they haven't even tried? Stop acting like a know-it-all -.- I for one have actually tried an Ultimate fight with my static, but when the static disbanded, I didn't feel like investing in those fights again.
No one said that ACT makes it so that you can ignore mechanics, just that it gives you an unfair advantage over others.

[KageTokage]

Agree about the first point regarding ultimates, but I wouldn't call the meters and logging over-complicated at all. It takes pressing "Upload log" in a client to do that, and then you can analyze and see exactly what happened during your pulls rather than just guessing it.
also, https://www.fflogs.com/character/jp/...hi%27p%20sampo

Yoshi P being on FFLogs isn't indicative of him actually using it if that's what you're trying to get at.

You can be second hand parsed as long as someone else in your group is logging and don't even need to actually set up an account there.

[ElenaRedoran]

How would you even know they haven't even tried? Stop acting like a know-it-all -.- I for one have actually tried an Ultimate fight with my static, but when the static disbanded, I didn't feel like investing in those fights again.
No one said that ACT makes it so that you can ignore mechanics, just that it gives you an unfair advantage over others.

wouldn't call it an unfair advantage when literally anyone can install the same program in under a minute, and especially when it helps everyone achieve something together IN PVE, it's not like it's pvp or smth.

as for whether wow raiders use addons on world firsts, yes, they literally pay addon creators to create specific plugins sometimes