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    Kris Goldenshield
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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    Here’s the thing though. Shb was said(by the devs) to be the expansion where they spent the most time on the healers, yet it’s the expansion with the most controversial and negative results they’ve had to date. We haven’t really seen an influx of players wanting to play healer, so like at this point perhaps something needs to change? And what they’re doing isn’t actually working? It’s weird to me they continue to cull skills and dps each expansion and they aren’t seeing more positive feedback, but actually less. Yet despite this theyve still managed to dance around the idea of either giving healers more dps skills, or making raids require more healing.
    We don’t know the rubric they are judging what is a success for changes made. For some, myself included, dumbing down the job is a negative, but if it results in a net increase of healers overall, that might be all that matters to devs. Moreover, we are very vocal, being on the forums…

    If more of your average joe player in game are doing healer, that signals more of a success to devs than a few disgruntled players on the internet.

    I remember when queues for dps were well over 30 minutes. I haven’t seen that since HW.

    Quote Originally Posted by MiaShino View Post
    You are most lucky then!

    This doesn’t tell us very much (no offense!)

    The average time in queue depends very much on a lot of factors. What are you queuing for? Is it roulette (and therefore anything)? Is it for a very specific 50/60/70 dungeon? Is it current content? Is it Garuda, normal mode?

    15 minutes is not that unreasonable for something super specific.

    I admit there might be some longer waits on my alt (who is in ARR), but rarely is it the 30 or even 60 min I saw back in HW.

    Quote Originally Posted by FrogDog View Post
    That's not how lilies work, they're a flat resource that you get one of every 30s. There really should be no "juggling" of regen and Medica II either. Regen goes on tank, and if you need to heal on the move or do an AoE heal there are ogcds that you would go through before Regen or Medica II ideally.
    TIFO. Thumbs up for you- no sarcasm at all. I had been going all this time thinking they were charging based on actual amount healed during combat and not just time in combat…which seems much more bland.
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    Melorie Valliere
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaynide View Post
    We don’t know the rubric they are judging what is a success for changes made. For some, myself included, dumbing down the job is a negative, but if it results in a net increase of healers overall, that might be all that matters to devs.

    I remember when queues for dps were well over 30 minutes. I haven’t seen that since HW.
    Well to be fair the game has grown a lot since HW and even SB. There's no data to tell if the changes to queue times are because the combat changes in general, a good chunk of the playerbase nowadays wasn't even here at HW times and the game did get more popular because their friend next door is in shambles, the current expansion was praised (for it's history, mind you, because the content formula remains the same and I doubt ign&cia even care about combat changes when reviewing stuff) and you have a good free trial as well as a great marketing strategy. So we also can't say that if the queue times are what they are is solely because of the changes that made healers into glare-spammers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaynide View Post
    This doesn’t tell us very much (no offense!)

    The average time in queue depends very much on a lot of factors. What are you queuing for? Is it roulette (and therefore anything)? Is it for a very specific 50/60/70 dungeon? Is it current content? Is it Garuda, normal mode?
    No offense assumed! Umm, I would say polling the friends and from own experience roulette queues can actually be much longer on the average.

    The first was for Vale the second for Haukke, though if anyone in here wishes I can collect many screenshots from all types of roulettes and duties to corroborate.

    There is much variance though so I must select some average. I have seen nothing sixty minutes though thank the twelve! That sounds like madness! It feels bad enough..

    Some friends/family reported queue times longer then twenty minutes for prime hours, especially as deeps going into Castrum (msq) and Prae towards the end of their journey.

    This is on NA - Primal if any are curious about this. Much of this is for ARR as that is where they are in story. Me and my partner noticed even longer times queueing for Heavensward and Stormblood content though so am uncertain.
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    Nyarlha Moonstalker
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiaShino View Post
    No offense assumed! Umm, I would say polling the friends and from own experience roulette queues can actually be much longer on the average.

    The first was for Vale the second for Haukke, though if anyone in here wishes I can collect many screenshots from all types of roulettes and duties to corroborate.

    There is much variance though so I must select some average. I have seen nothing sixty minutes though thank the twelve! That sounds like madness! It feels bad enough..

    Some friends/family reported queue times longer then twenty minutes for prime hours, especially as deeps going into Castrum (msq) and Prae towards the end of their journey.

    This is on NA - Primal if any are curious about this. Much of this is for ARR as that is where they are in story. Me and my partner noticed even longer times queueing for Heavensward and Stormblood content though so am uncertain.
    Queuing for a specific thing will always take longer on average. It seems like the algorithm takes some time to pull people from roulettes to help you out.

    Roulettes though? Those queues are lightning fast compared to what we had in HW or even Stormlood.
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