It's time to hire dedicated Tank an Healer devs!

[Jeeqbit]

With how many people have complained about the healers for….a good amount of years, there’s obviously a problem with their design. Trying to say otherwise because of queues is just an absolutely flawed way of thinking. The thing is, if the tables were turned and it was the dps with flawed designs, they’d get immediate attention(which we’ve seen btw, as in ShB Mnk,Nin,and Smn got mini reworks.)

AST got a mini rework too because of problems at the start of ShB, including reduced cast times, generating MP from playing cards, not being overwhelmed with cards anymore and Lord/Lady requiring less clicking.

All these changes between expansions are just to get it through to the next expansion though, because real changes require expansion-level redesigns and not quick patches that haven't had much thought, so we usually have to wait 2 years for things to get changed beyond small adjustments to things like potency and cast time.

[KizuyaKatogami]

AST got a mini rework too because of problems at the start of ShB, including reduced cast times, generating MP from playing cards, not being overwhelmed with cards anymore and Lord/Lady requiring less clicking.

All these changes between expansions are just to get it through to the next expansion though, because real changes require expansion-level redesigns and not quick patches that haven't had much thought, so we usually have to wait 2 years for things to get changed beyond small adjustments to things like potency and cast time.

Right, and yet, according to Yoshi P, ShB was the most time they spent on healers, however on release healers were an absolutely shitshow. Yes real changes require expansion level redesigns yet…again we aren’t seeing that with the healers. It’s the same old shit. No new dps rotation for healers, still the same one button spam.Now in Endwalker, it’s again, the same old shit. Nothings changed. Meanwhile smn got yet again, another rework. Mnk got big changes. But healers got shafted yet again.

[SieyaM]

Healers are dying for something more interactive with their kit, whether it be more DPS abilities or making healing more necessary. I have always wanted them to roll more support abilities into healers so they would have something to occupy their time when not healing that wasn't a singular DPS skill.

[Shironeko_Narunyan]

There are actually a lot of healers and tanks out there who don't queue up for roulettes with random players. Most are in a FC or have a circle of friends to run it with, which is more fun than 3 nameless people they'll never see again. And then, you'll get abuse and be put under pressure with random people, which is a huge deterrent. "Tanxiety" is a thing. I don't care about that these days, but I used to only run for my FC, or my Trust team if nobody was interested.

[Kyrj]

Agreed. I just want a Dev who can make the tanks feel like their own thing. DRK is literally just WAR with a sword.

[Jeeqbit]

Agreed. I just want a Dev who can make the tanks feel like their own thing. DRK is literally just WAR with a sword.

A key difference with DRK at the moment is it is more off-global centric whereas the same abilities on a WAR are GCD. I find DRK to have a lot more aoe variety too.

[Reiryuu]

Agreed. I just want a Dev who can make the tanks feel like their own thing. DRK is literally just WAR with a sword.

I hear this a lot and I see where you're coming from, but DRK and WAR do feel quite different to me when I was leveling them up and playing them. WAR has a lot more self healing and it's getting more (why?!) in EW... and I'm pretty bad at that aspect of WAR, I feel hence I feel a lot more like a paper bag playing WAR than I do on DRK.

Regardless of that though, I can get behind anything that makes tanks and healers alike feel more unique and make them more enjoyable to play. More options and more variety are always better.

[AngeliouxRein]

I mean, is it really that difficult to hire people to be dedicated to each role? I don’t understand why they missed a golden opportunity to go ham on making each job having game play completely different with hardly any similarities from each other. In other games that had multiple healers, you would have your standard cleric/priest then from there you might get a healer that uses a sword, blunt weapon, cannons, or just whatever they could come up with to keep a strong diversity in gameplay. We could’ve had that same energy across the current tanks and healers, easily. I really don’t like this growing obsession to keep the game at Satasha level even though we’re going into level 90… I feel like it’s just holding creativity back.

[Shironeko_Narunyan]

I mean, is it really that difficult to hire people to be dedicated to each role?

I don't think it's difficult. I think they decided they can do it without. To be fair, the problem with weird class design is partly based on things in the combat system as such.

The tanks are fine though, no idea what people want them to do about them. The problematic ones are the healers.

[ItMe]

In other games that had multiple healers, you would have your standard cleric/priest then from there you might get a healer that uses a sword, blunt weapon, cannons, or just whatever they could come up with to keep a strong diversity in gameplay.

IDK man. WHM is the standard cleric/priest. After that we get
-- an orator with a pet fairy
-- A fortune teller with a "globe" made of cards and a smidgen of time magic
-- And magitek fin funnels that heal you with lasers

I don't think a lack of creative and diverse class concepts are what's inhibiting more variety in healer gameplay.