Endwalker Warrior Looks Great

[Ultimatecalibur]

I think the point here is that many players prefer movement skills that you can use on demand as a gap closer, as opposed to an oGCD damage button that also happens to be a gap closer. If you have any doubts about what's better, look at the movement skill additions to the melee jobs this expansion.

I'd say that players don't want the feeling of being punished for using their movement abilities at the "wrong" time and many of the Endwalker tank changes seem to have the devs trying to mitigate that feeling.

• Warrior - Can have up to 3 charges of Onslaughts stocked and gets one every 30s and also gets a second gapcloser (Primal Rend) that in theory can be used anywhere in a 30s period once per minute.
• Paladin - Can stock up to 2 charges of Intervene, but they also have a 8 gcd period where they do not really care about how far they are from their target.
• Dark Knight - Can have up to 2 charges of Plunge stocked, but are also always 4 gcds or less from a Plunge due to Enhanced Unmend.

Gunbreaker is the only tank currently that really needs to make devil's choices (damned if you do, damned if you don't) about gap closer use.

Guess what: I'm not part of the problem, I've been tanking since ARR, stop being presumptuous.

Let me address all of that by saying that there are exasperatingly few fights where saving charges of your gap-closer will ever come into play. The proposed situation in which using a gap-closer to save a GCD would ever come up is so rare that it isn't worth tacking onto a priority list. You dump your "Gap Closer" charges in your opener during raid buffs, and future gap closers may or may not align with raid buffs depending on their usage. That is the purpose "Gap Closers" serve at this point in time, and it's why they should have their damage stripped from them so they can actually serve their designed purpose.

I'm sorry buy your experience doesn't not make you an expert and most high end tanks can easily find multiple points in pretty much every fight where proper Gap closer use can and does increase tank uptime. You are very much part of the problem.

[ZaqueXIII]

I feel like part of the reason for the damage on gap closers is the animation themselves. It wouldn't make sense for a warrior to rush and crash into their opponent only for it to result in no damage. Obviously in their current state they are meant to be used for damage as they have been given charges meaning you can use multiple while still having one for mobility. I wonder if a potential solution would be to put gap closers on "the gcd" in a similar way to how a heat blast is a gcd for machinist(activates the GCD but for a much shorter duration). Of course optimally it wouldn't overwrite combos and they could put just enough damage on it to make sense(at or below ranged attack I imagine) but not enough to justify using it over pretty much any other GCD when in range. Realistically something like this should still provide the movement opportunities of only using all the current charges for actual movement while removing the need for them to be dumped as wierd filler OGCD during burst windows.

Im sure there are things im not considering but just some food for thought.

[Videra]

I'm sorry buy your experience doesn't not make you an expert and most high end tanks can easily find multiple points in pretty much every fight where proper Gap closer use can and does increase tank uptime. You are very much part of the problem.

Prove it, then. Provide me an example of parts of fight in current content where a "Gap Closer" will consistently be of substantial use.

[Mezzoforte]

Prove it, then. Provide me an example of parts of fight in current content where a "Gap Closer" will consistently be of substantial use.

Ok so you ask for a specific single example. You get it immediately. Then you shift your goal posts. You were proven wrong. Shifting those posts is just bad form at that point.

[Videra]

Ok so you ask for a specific single example. You get it immediately. Then you shift your goal posts. You were proven wrong. Shifting those posts is just bad form at that point.

Or, get this, I was saying they were a rarity in the first place. And I was wrong, so I accepted that fact. Thank you.